Where did the TS75 go?
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woodbutcherbower
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mino said:
And long may it continue. But the rot has already set in. The SysRock is made in China.
I've always been a big fan of Hilti tools - some of my European-made stuff is almost 20 years old, and still works as well as the day I bought it. But my 3-year-old SF6H 22-volt combi ?? VERY expensive (way more $$$$ than a Festool) - but already on its 4th chuck, its 2nd motor, its 3rd trigger switch and its 2nd control board. Made in China. Go figure .....
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As part of an industry hit hard by Covid and supply chain issues, I can say, yes, these types of issues show the short comings of just- in- time inventory systems when all the #$%# hits the fan at once.
To add to Semi-Conductor shortage woes, I'm told that there was a fire at a plant in Japan , the plant sold most of its production to the Auto Industry, so we're down a big supplier that normally catered to us in the first place.
Add to that, Covid shutting down plants, we're now seeing parts messages from Factory that certain plants that made electronic components for us are shut down due to Covid. Didn't see that message all last year from the supplier plants, just the main factory.
No release dates and no order fill dates make it really hard to tell customers when their stuff, no matter what it is, will be getting to them.
And don't get us started on Lumber Prices..... [eek] [eek] [eek] [eek]
To add to Semi-Conductor shortage woes, I'm told that there was a fire at a plant in Japan , the plant sold most of its production to the Auto Industry, so we're down a big supplier that normally catered to us in the first place.
Add to that, Covid shutting down plants, we're now seeing parts messages from Factory that certain plants that made electronic components for us are shut down due to Covid. Didn't see that message all last year from the supplier plants, just the main factory.
No release dates and no order fill dates make it really hard to tell customers when their stuff, no matter what it is, will be getting to them.
And don't get us started on Lumber Prices..... [eek] [eek] [eek] [eek]
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We are starting to see shortages of hardware like hinges and drawer guides and some suppliers are limiting the amount of sheet goods you can purchase.
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I would assume he means the management? Not the actual plant itself, it just sits there silently...lolCoen said:
Hi Folks,
Just so I understand...the lack of TS75 inventory is due to supply chain issues brought on by 1+ year of covid? Even though the TS55REQ is supposedly being/has been redesigned, the TS75 will not undergo the same redesign. I this correct?
Thanks
Adam
Just so I understand...the lack of TS75 inventory is due to supply chain issues brought on by 1+ year of covid? Even though the TS55REQ is supposedly being/has been redesigned, the TS75 will not undergo the same redesign. I this correct?
Thanks
Adam
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leakyroof said:
Me neither. This whole ordeal and how it is handled is devastating to the functionality of our society. And if you destroy the functionality of our society, that's going to have dire consequences.
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There was an enlightening article in today’s New York Times about the supply constraints. Basically the extreme focus of companies on Just-in-Time with less or no inventory on site has freed a lot of capital that has been used to buy back shares (and increase dividends), that otherwise could have been spent on strengthening a preferably local supply chain. That last bit explains why Chinese and Far Eastern companies haven’t suffered as much as the Western ones, bc their supply chains are pretty close to their manufacturing/completion facilities.
So — it has been plain and simple greed and capitalism that has caused this mess. Nothing new here.
So — it has been plain and simple greed and capitalism that has caused this mess. Nothing new here.
mino
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The TS55 update is clearly tied to the TSC Anti-Kickback version so the same blades are supported. It must have been in the cards for a long time, well before the Covid situation came about.frahengeo said:
Festool has a strict policy of not changing characteristics of tools without a model change. If anything, the newer models being only introduced allow for adjusting the components/design to proactively address supply issues via slight modifications.
On the other hand, tools which are in long-term low-rate production (like the TS75 or the HK55) have cost-optimized supply chains which are much harder to address.
I would also not say the supply chain issues are from "1-year of Covid". Thety are not, at least not directly. They main issues are from the chaos brought by the initial Covid impact which forced the traditionally "buyer's B2B market" to switch overnight into a "seller's B2B market".
This is why situation is not improving even after Covid restrictions are mostly behind us now -> what we see now is the impact of companies *reacting* to the chaos by stocking up which in turn amplifies the shortages in a vicious cycle.
leakyroof said:
It isn't. But it's wrong to hide everything behind 'muh colona' while 'dumb politician' is to blame for most of it. They avoid any risk now regardless of future costs just so they won't get blamed sooner...
I've had colleagues that had it (supposedly; half of them don't believe it themselves); for working age population the danger of covid is on the same scale as being run over by a car on the way to work. No plant was ever shut down for that...
The national debt is being pushed into the sky, money is printed at an insane level, a year is stolen from our youths, suicides are way up, domestic violence is way way way up, freedom of demonstration is limited, suicides are up and all the big social media "platforms" are enforcing a fake news narrative, etc. etc. Any of those on their own tend to be worse in the long term than the 'black scenario' of covid...
I can live perfectly fine without mass gatherings or without speaking anyone for days, but I have friends who are quite different. The psychological effect on them is huge. Just like the bullsh*t curfew we had pissed me off while not affecting others in any way.
Either way; some are now tempted to take their own live. Some others might be tempted to take someone with them on that endeavor. Was this risque ever taken into account for muh covid lockdown? The short answer is; no it wasn't.
Either way, this forum is not the place, so this will all just get cut away anyway. But don't blame a virus for the response of governments
Bert Vanderveen said:
Well, this is about the same disease as what I discussed above; placing profits here and now above any future risk.
I've seen a factory were regularly some $10 part isn't in stock and it results in 30 people doing nothing for two hours. But the beancounters insisted on stocking more of the said crucial part being too expensive. [huh] They live in an Excel theory, not in reality.
I see a lot of criticism of companies for outsourcing their supply chains to cheaper countries without an examination of why it’s cheaper to get things from the other side of the world than get them at home. Western countries collectively passed a combination of labor and environmental laws that made all but the highest-margin manufacturing globally uncompetitive. But then, crucially, they didn’t go the rest of the way and put tariffs on imports from countries that don’t meet these standards because the public likes getting their cheap consumer goods so long as the people suffering to make them are nameless foreigners somewhere else.
So of course all of the domestic manufacturers were killed off. You simply can’t compete in a country with even moderate labor and environmental standards with businesses that can pay people pennies per hour and dump all the toxic waste they want into the environment. And because this affects entire supply chains, domestic production in low-standards countries gets more and more efficient as more parts of the supply chain localize, and production in high-standards countries gets less and less.
I could lob blame at politicians for this, but they’re just doing what the voters want them to: keep serving up cheap consumerism, with the costs paid by somebody else.
So of course all of the domestic manufacturers were killed off. You simply can’t compete in a country with even moderate labor and environmental standards with businesses that can pay people pennies per hour and dump all the toxic waste they want into the environment. And because this affects entire supply chains, domestic production in low-standards countries gets more and more efficient as more parts of the supply chain localize, and production in high-standards countries gets less and less.
I could lob blame at politicians for this, but they’re just doing what the voters want them to: keep serving up cheap consumerism, with the costs paid by somebody else.
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Cypren said:
Not to mention the complacency, sense of privilege and entitlement of workers in Western countries that makes the workforce's work ethic so much lower and uncompetitive. Pay them the same wage, give them the same benefits, give them the same environmental laws and pound for pound people in less economically developed and less snowflake sympathising countries would still be more competitive because they understand a job is a privilege not a right.
This seems to be drifting into politics and inflammatory topics.
Lets not.
Seth
Lets not.
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