Which Abrasives To Get?

pghmyn

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Let me premise my situation: I'm still relatively new to "finer" wood working. Going to pick up my first personal sander this week. Thanks to help in another thread, I have decided the ETS150/5. I went to Rockler today and they did not have it in stock. Bummer for me. I took the time to look at abrasives. They didn't have much of a selection there, and I might have to go somewhere else or order online.

But, anyway, my questions are pretty general. What grit should I typically sand to? Is it finish type specific? Wood species specific?

More questions...
Knowing I am getting the ETS150/5 sander, which abrasives should I get? Which grits will/should I use the most (in your opinion)? I would like to get the smaller pack sizes, seeing as I need to get a lot of grits, and I don't want to spend $150 on sandpaper off the bat.
 
I can't give you good local advice and I don't know what finishes you're aiming to achieve ... all that said, I'd probably stick with Granat as an abrasive type as it's great all round. Further, I'd look to some of the local suppliers here on FOG that offer a starter kit in an abrasive systainer with a good range of abrasives (I believe $US150 is pretty close to the asking price). If you're using them, you're buying replacements - so a good starter set is an efficient approach.

You're going to get a lot of varied responses that'll range from fastidiously going through every grit to your finishing target - to grit jumpers and a lot of discussion about how fine you can finish different timbers for different purposes. Nobody can make these decisions for you, you need to determine the finish you want and the time and cost you willing to invest to achieve it.
 
Kev said:
I can't give you good local advice and I don't know what finishes you're aiming to achieve ... all that said, I'd probably stick with Granat as an abrasive type as it's great all round. Further, I'd look to some of the local suppliers here on FOG that offer a starter kit in an abrasive systainer with a good range of abrasives (I believe $US150 is pretty close to the asking price). If you're using them, you're buying replacements - so a good starter set is an efficient approach.

You're going to get a lot of varied responses that'll range from fastidiously going through every grit to your finishing target - to grit jumpers and a lot of discussion about how fine you can finish different timbers for different purposes. Nobody can make these decisions for you, you need to determine the finish you want and the time and cost you willing to invest to achieve it.
I usually do. Pretty typical stain and poly or shellac approach. I've done nothing more exciting than that.

With the sanders I've used before, I've used 80 to 120 to 220 then finish. Is there a 10 pack of 220 for the 150mm dimeter?
 
Is there a 10 pack of 220 for the 150mm dimeter?

In 150 mm diameter Granat, there are 10-packs of 40, 60, 80, 120, 180, 320. They are $14 each.

Alternatively, I sell an assortment of the full Granat range up to 500 for $125.

Tom
 
I thought I just wasn't finding the 10 pack of 220 grit.

In most cases, is sanding to 180 good enough?
 
Our good friend Kev knows Festools, so it is wise to seriously consider his advice.

Perhaps my advice is different, because I have been earning a significant income working with wood for over 60 years. My current shop is very large, with 6 other master cabinet makers and often several helpers.

Before Granat was distributed by Festool in the USA I used Rubin in the coarser grits and Brilliant II in the finer grits. Once Granat became available in all grits and in quantity, and I became convinced of its benefits, in early 2011 I started using Granat virtually all the time. It does cost more when you buy Granat, but it lasts so much longer it saves money that way. The long life of Granat also save labor changing sheets.

This is important to my bottom line, but for a DIY person, it might not be the best thinking. Because my shop does not perform finishing functions, generally our clients specify that we stop at 120 grit. I stock Granat in all sizes much finer than that and also coarser than 100 grit although we seldom use any Granat as coarse as 80 grit or as fine as 180 grit. But, most DIY woodworkers make a far wider range of projects then I build.

Your ETS150/5 is a marvelous first sander, and there is a lot to be said for sticking with 150 dia paper as long as possible. While you are gaining experience, Rubin, Rubin 2 and Brilliant II are very good choices for smoothing rougher wood, removing old finish and so on. Having a wide choice of grits and styles of abrasive I suggest is far more important in DIY than calculating the savings of using one particular type of abrasive. Just because I only use Granat 99+% of the time hardly means this will be true for anyone else.

Personally I see less than no point in traveling to a dealer which does not stock the Festools I need and all the accessories and supplies to support those tools. Since Festools have been distributed in the USA there have been highly qualified and experienced on-line dealers who not only can ship the tool you need, but also all the vital accessories. What use is a sander without a selection of abrasives? The leading on-line Festool dealers sell abrasive kits, even in Systainer if you want. I probably have as much Festool abrasives in my supply room as most of the larger dealers, but I still bought kits in the various sizes. Of course I re-fill those kits as we use abrasives and keep track of how many sheets of which kind are needed for the re-filling. This is how I stay in business, because I can allocate the number of sheets used on a given project.

Oh yes, over the past few days a member or two have complained that some of us write pots that go beyond a couple of lines. Well, some topics need a full explanation. I also think it rude to post without proof-reading, but then that could just be me. Your mileage might vary.
 
I think that the more you buy, the happier you will be,that means size of pkg, range of grits and kinds of paper,although just one kind,i would get the granat
 
Tom Bellemare said:
Is there a 10 pack of 220 for the 150mm dimeter?

In 150 mm diameter Granat, there are 10-packs of 40, 60, 80, 120, 180, 320. They are $14 each.

Alternatively, I sell an assortment of the full Granat range up to 500 for $125.

Tom

Is that in a sys?
 
You might want to look into Indasa Rhynogrip abrasives.  They offer abrasives that fit Festool 5" and 6" sanders.  I found these to be a good all purpose abrasive and a good value at $14-$17 for a 50 count box.  The only downside is the hole pattern is for the old 9 hole style for the 6" pad but they will still work perfectly on the new pads too.  Indasa-Rhynogrip 6" abrasives for Festool sanders.
 
ccarrolladams said:
Our good friend Kev knows Festools, so it is wise to seriously consider his advice.

Perhaps my advice is different, because I have been earning a significant income working with wood for over 60 years. My current shop is very large, with 6 other master cabinet makers and often several helpers.

Before Granat was distributed by Festool in the USA I used Rubin in the coarser grits and Brilliant II in the finer grits. Once Granat became available in all grits and in quantity, and I became convinced of its benefits, in early 2011 I started using Granat virtually all the time. It does cost more when you buy Granat, but it lasts so much longer it saves money that way. The long life of Granat also save labor changing sheets.

This is important to my bottom line, but for a DIY person, it might not be the best thinking. Because my shop does not perform finishing functions, generally our clients specify that we stop at 120 grit. I stock Granat in all sizes much finer than that and also coarser than 100 grit although we seldom use any Granat as coarse as 80 grit or as fine as 180 grit. But, most DIY woodworkers make a far wider range of projects then I build.

Your ETS150/5 is a marvelous first sander, and there is a lot to be said for sticking with 150 dia paper as long as possible. While you are gaining experience, Rubin, Rubin 2 and Brilliant II are very good choices for smoothing rougher wood, removing old finish and so on. Having a wide choice of grits and styles of abrasive I suggest is far more important in DIY than calculating the savings of using one particular type of abrasive. Just because I only use Granat 99+% of the time hardly means this will be true for anyone else.

Personally I see less than no point in traveling to a dealer which does not stock the Festools I need and all the accessories and supplies to support those tools. Since Festools have been distributed in the USA there have been highly qualified and experienced on-line dealers who not only can ship the tool you need, but also all the vital accessories. What use is a sander without a selection of abrasives? The leading on-line Festool dealers sell abrasive kits, even in Systainer if you want. I probably have as much Festool abrasives in my supply room as most of the larger dealers, but I still bought kits in the various sizes. Of course I re-fill those kits as we use abrasives and keep track of how many sheets of which kind are needed for the re-filling. This is how I stay in business, because I can allocate the number of sheets used on a given project.

Oh yes, over the past few days a member or two have complained that some of us write pots that go beyond a couple of lines. Well, some topics need a full explanation. I also think it rude to post without proof-reading, but then that could just be me. Your mileage might vary.
I really appreciate your help, and I do not mind reading your response. It was incredibly helpful, in my eyes.

I usually only sand to 220 grit in the past, an on maple that left a glass finish. Maybe sanding to 180 would be good enough? I usually only work with pine, oak, or maple.

I'm sorry for short replies as I am on my phone at the moment. Typing longer replies on here is not favorable.
 
Jmaichel said:
Tom Bellemare said:
Is there a 10 pack of 220 for the 150mm dimeter?

In 150 mm diameter Granat, there are 10-packs of 40, 60, 80, 120, 180, 320. They are $14 each.

Alternatively, I sell an assortment of the full Granat range up to 500 for $125.

Tom

Is that in a sys?

No, it's 125 sheets for $125. With the T-Loc, it's $210. The T-Loc alone is $85.

Tom
 
ccarrolladams said:
Our good friend Kev knows Festools, so it is wise to seriously consider his advice.

Perhaps my advice is different, because I have been earning a significant income working with wood for over 60 years. My current shop is very large, with 6 other master cabinet makers and often several helpers.

Before Granat was distributed by Festool in the USA I used Rubin in the coarser grits and Brilliant II in the finer grits. Once Granat became available in all grits and in quantity, and I became convinced of its benefits, in early 2011 I started using Granat virtually all the time. It does cost more when you buy Granat, but it lasts so much longer it saves money that way. The long life of Granat also save labor changing sheets.

This is important to my bottom line, but for a DIY person, it might not be the best thinking. Because my shop does not perform finishing functions, generally our clients specify that we stop at 120 grit. I stock Granat in all sizes much finer than that and also coarser than 100 grit although we seldom use any Granat as coarse as 80 grit or as fine as 180 grit. But, most DIY woodworkers make a far wider range of projects then I build.

Your ETS150/5 is a marvelous first sander, and there is a lot to be said for sticking with 150 dia paper as long as possible. While you are gaining experience, Rubin, Rubin 2 and Brilliant II are very good choices for smoothing rougher wood, removing old finish and so on. Having a wide choice of grits and styles of abrasive I suggest is far more important in DIY than calculating the savings of using one particular type of abrasive. Just because I only use Granat 99+% of the time hardly means this will be true for anyone else.

Personally I see less than no point in traveling to a dealer which does not stock the Festools I need and all the accessories and supplies to support those tools. Since Festools have been distributed in the USA there have been highly qualified and experienced on-line dealers who not only can ship the tool you need, but also all the vital accessories. What use is a sander without a selection of abrasives? The leading on-line Festool dealers sell abrasive kits, even in Systainer if you want. I probably have as much Festool abrasives in my supply room as most of the larger dealers, but I still bought kits in the various sizes. Of course I re-fill those kits as we use abrasives and keep track of how many sheets of which kind are needed for the re-filling. This is how I stay in business, because I can allocate the number of sheets used on a given project.

Oh yes, over the past few days a member or two have complained that some of us write pots that go beyond a couple of lines. Well, some topics need a full explanation. I also think it rude to post without proof-reading, but then that could just be me. Your mileage might vary.

I agree totally with Carrol about Granat, and my perspective is from the hobbyist woodworker.  I primarily build furniture for myself, friends and family.  I used Brilliant and Rubin before trying a sampler pack from Tom, and have only used the other papers since to use up my supply.  Granat works better and lasts longer than the others, and will, eventually, pay for itself even for the home hobbyist, assuming you hit the shop (garage, in my case) fairly frequently.  I haven't found anything it won't do on bare wood. 

I usually stop at 220 grit, most often while using a wipe-on poly finish.  Other finishes may require different sanding levels, especially on different woods.  I always finish a few scraps with possible finishes and grits before I build the project so I know before I assemble how much to sand and what the finish will look like.

Steve
 
Brice Burrell said:
You might want to look into Indasa Rhynogrip abrasives.  They offer abrasives that fit Festool 5" and 6" sanders.  I found these to be a good all purpose abrasive and a good value at $14-$17 for a 50 count box.  The only downside is the hole pattern is for the old 9 hole style for the 6" pad but they will still work perfectly on the new pads too.  Indasa-Rhynogrip 6" abrasives for Festool sanders.

I used Rhyno when I got my first ETS150/5 with the old hole pattern. It is a good economy paper. Maybe a consideration if you want to save some $'s on the lower grits.
 
Left field thought ... a SURFIX set could be interesting for you.

 
I advice patience and not buying accessories until you use the ETS150, especially if this is your first sander. It should come w/ an assortment of grits/papers for you to try.
 
pghmyn said:
Is item #496149 for the ETS150?

Stick fix hard pad.

No, it's for the RO 150 FEQ, the current Rotex 150.

496150 is the hard pad for the ETS and the old Rotex 150.

Tom
 
Tom Bellemare said:
pghmyn said:
Is item #496149 for the ETS150?

Stick fix hard pad.

No, it's for the RO 150 FEQ, the current Rotex 150.

496150 is the hard pad for the ETS and the old Rotex 150.

Tom
Thank you!

Also, what assortment comes with the sander as mentioned above?
 
Kev said:
Brice Burrell said:
You might want to look into Indasa Rhynogrip abrasives.  They offer abrasives that fit Festool 5" and 6" sanders.  I found these to be a good all purpose abrasive and a good value at $14-$17 for a 50 count box.  The only downside is the hole pattern is for the old 9 hole style for the 6" pad but they will still work perfectly on the new pads too.  Indasa-Rhynogrip 6" abrasives for Festool sanders.

I used Rhyno when I got my first ETS150/5 with the old hole pattern. It is a good economy paper. Maybe a consideration if you want to save some $'s on the lower grits.

I use Indasa too sometimes. It's indeed a reasonably good economy paper. It's cheap and it does the job, but it wears out a lot faster than Festool paper.
 
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