Which hose or adapter do I need for CT22E

[Toolpig]

I'd like to connect my tablesaw and router table to my CT22E vac.  The inside diameter of each port is 2-1/4".  I have the standard hose that came with the vac.  Do I need a larger hose?  Or is there an adapter that will work?

I also have a planer and jointer each with 4" ports.  Can I use the Festool vac?  Or should I get a 2-stage dust collector for those machines?

TP

 

[T. Michael]

Hi Toolpig.

Boy, those two put out a lot of sawdust that will fill your CT 22 pretty fast, but it would/will be a good dust collector. 

What I did for my router table, was to buy a Dust Deputy from Oneida (also have a Clear Vue for my sanding station). 

This makes your CT 22 into a two stage collector, and keeps the chips out of your valuable Festool bags, which then collect the very fine dust; which they are great at. 

I don't know what the break-even point is; bags vs Dust Deputy; probably 10 years to infinity, but it is nice to have a 5 gallon pail you can just empty into the compost heap now and then.

Best, Mike

 

[Daviddubya]

In my home shop I have the stationary tools you mentioned, and I use a Penn State dust collector with a 4" hose for all of those tools.  My CT22 is used for smaller hand-held power tools - Festool and Porter Cable.  The dust collector does a great job on the larger tools, and it is mobile so it can be attached to whichever tool is being used at the moment.  It gets parked connected to the table saw.

 

[Dan Clark]

Hi Toolpig.

Boy, those two put out a lot of sawdust that will fill your CT 22 pretty fast, but it would/will be a good dust collector. 

What I did for my router table, was to buy a Dust Deputy from Oneida (also have a Clear Vue for my sanding station). 

This makes your CT 22 into a two stage collector, and keeps the chips out of your valuable Festool bags, which then collect the very fine dust; which they are great at. 

I don't know what the break-even point is; bags vs Dust Deputy; probably 10 years to infinity, but it is nice to have a 5 gallon pail you can just empty into the compost heap now and then.

Best, Mike

Mike,

Can you post some pics of your setup?  I'd be interested in seeing that.

Thanks,

Dan.

 

[fcraven]

Hi Toolpig.

...What I did for my router table, was to buy a Dust Deputy from Oneida
(also have a Clear Vue for my sanding station). 

Mike, that's a great way to use your vac. I'm considering getting either the Oneida or Clear Vue, can comment upon the construction of them. The Oneida seems more durable (metal), but the Clear Vue looks like it has a better design--and being able to see the dust swirl around has a certain cool factor, but I'm not sure how much pulling it could handle. I'm interested in using such a set up on a job site. It would certainly save a lot of time and wear on vacuums if one didn't have to change bags as often, especially if dealing with paint and mud dust too.

It might be...interesting to attach one of the above to a modified systainer which could then be mounted on top of the hose garage, on top of a Festool Vac (or future festool vac in my case (still have a fine Fein)).

 

[Toolpig]

Hi Toolpig.

...What I did for my router table, was to buy a Dust Deputy from Oneida
(also have a Clear Vue for my sanding station). 

Mike, that's a great way to use your vac. I'm considering getting either the Oneida or Clear Vue, can comment upon the construction of them. The Oneida seems more durable (metal), but the Clear Vue looks like it has a better design--and being able to see the dust swirl around has a certain cool factor, but I'm not sure how much pulling it could handle. I'm interested in using such a set up on a job site. It would certainly save a lot of time and wear on vacuums if one didn't have to change bags as often, especially if dealing with paint and mud dust too.

It might be...interesting to attach one of the above to a modified systainer which could then be mounted on top of the hose garage, on top of a Festool Vac (or future festool vac in my case (still have a fine Fein)).

I like the idea of the dust deputy, but I imagine you lose the "anti-static" feature of the vacuum when you do this.  Though I don't imagine it's that much of an issue.  I've yet to see anybody blow up a vacuum because of a little static electricity.

TP

 

[T. Michael]

I got the Clear Vue first, less expensive, direct to 2.25 vacuum hose right out of the box.  But, one has to make an adapter to a 5 gallon bucket.  So, fishing around the basement, found my wife's old beer making kit with a screw on lid to a 5 gallon bucket.  ( she hasn't noticed it's gone yet). 

It is way cool to watch the chips go round and round, then down.  Some light one's just go round and round til you turn it off.  Interesting.  This one I have hooked up to a Lee Valley clear tube dust collection kit, plumbed up the the ceiling, with drops for my sanders over the work bench.  Sort of a poor man's boom arm, but with three drops, and little gates.  I hooked up a multi outlet extension cord so that it terminates at each vacuum drop.  I can have two or three sanders plugged in at once, and each will actuate the vacuum -- in this case a WAP.

Also hook up the Domino to it, and that works great.  But, as someone said I loose the anti static feature of the hose.  No sparks and fires, but a little van de graff (sp?) generated spark goes from my knuckle to the hose coming out of the side of the Domino.  Tickling, but irritating.  May have to figure out how to ground that later.

Got the Dust Deputy a year later, after I got the CT 33 for the router table.  That one is, so far, dedicated.  DD makes one with 1.5" hose inleta and outlets, steel, very subtantial. The also offer a 2" model for an up lift to an already high price.  But, it does come with the clampable 5 gallon steel bucket with a big O-ring around the lid.  Bolt it together and you're almost ready to go.  you have to figure out how to get form 1.5 or 2.0 inches up to 2 1/4"; standard shop vac and US CT hose fitting size.  Dust Deputy sell their own hoses, but I chose to adapt to my nice Festool ones.  Also lost the grounding feature because I used wood and plastic step up and step down hose adapters.

Like them both, Dust Deputy  is more stable on the ground, (shorter, and wider)  Clear Vue seems to have all the features of their big cyclones; angled input, long slim taper.  And the plastic is tough.  It's fallen over several times, no damage whatsoever.  Both seem to catch a lot of chips.

I'll take pics tomorrow and post them of each system.

Hope this helps.  Ask any questions of things I may have over looked.

Mike

 

[Corwin]

Mike,  Thanks for all the info on your cyclone setups!  I will also be looking forward to further information and photos you have to share as I have had one of these little babies on my wish list for some time now.  Haven't gone back to check, but those must have been your photos on the old board that showed a cyclone sitting atop a CT -- in any event, that was a sweet looking setup.  

I had read elswhere some time ago that the guys at ClearVue felt that tools like router tables and planers produced too much (volume & size) waste for vacuum-based dust control, and a larger DC system would be required.  But I really don't want a separate DC system for just these tools -- well, not if my CT will work.  So, how well do these systems work on your planer and router table?  

May need to start a new thread, 'cause I am sure this will stir up a few more questions  ;D

Thanks,
Corwin

 

[T. Michael]

Hi Corwin,

I know these photo's don't pass the uncluttered test, so I hope they suffice.

The first pic shows my mini dust collection system with a WAP, Clear Vue cyclone and Lee Valley small tube plastic distribution system along with a multi-tap extension cord.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=30042&cat=1,42401 
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=51162&cat=1,240,41065

Second pic shows 2 of the 3 down drops (one off camera to the right).  I didn't glue the plastic tubing, so can swing it up and down in one axis.

Pic 3 shows the small blast gate and power connection.  As someone noted the other day, this does lose the anti-static feature of the hose.

Pic 4 is the CT-33 and the Dust Deputy dedicated to the router station.

Pic 5 is another view of the Dust Deputy and various hose adapters.  This Dust Deputy is the large model with a 2" port; their standard is 1 1/2" port (may be fine, but I wanted one nearer to the Festool hose size.)  .

Any other details needed?

Best, Mike

 

[T. Michael]

This was in response to Corwin's topic on CT 22 adapters for use with a table saw.  He suggested a new topic area.  Thought I'd copy three messages over.  Mike
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I got the Clear Vue first, less expensive, direct to 2.25 vacuum hose right out of the box.  But, one has to make an adapter to a 5 gallon bucket.  So, fishing around the basement, found my wife's old beer making kit with a screw on lid to a 5 gallon bucket.  ( she hasn't noticed it's gone yet). 

It is way cool to watch the chips go round and round, then down.  Some light one's just go round and round til you turn it off.  Interesting.  This one I have hooked up to a Lee Valley clear tube dust collection kit, plumbed up the the ceiling, with drops for my sanders over the work bench.  Sort of a poor man's boom arm, but with three drops, and little gates.  I hooked up a multi outlet extension cord so that it terminates at each vacuum drop.  I can have two or three sanders plugged in at once, and each will actuate the vacuum -- in this case a WAP.

Also hook up the Domino to it, and that works great.  But, as someone said I loose the anti static feature of the hose.  No sparks and fires, but a little van de graff (sp?) generated spark goes from my knuckle to the hose coming out of the side of the Domino.  Tickling, but irritating.  May have to figure out how to ground that later.

Got the Dust Deputy a year later, after I got the CT 33 for the router table.  That one is, so far, dedicated.  DD makes one with 1.5" hose inleta and outlets, steel, very subtantial. The also offer a 2" model for an up lift to an already high price.  But, it does come with the clampable 5 gallon steel bucket with a big O-ring around the lid.  Bolt it together and you're almost ready to go.  you have to figure out how to get form 1.5 or 2.0 inches up to 2 1/4"; standard shop vac and US CT hose fitting size.  Dust Deputy sell their own hoses, but I chose to adapt to my nice Festool ones.  Also lost the grounding feature because I used wood and plastic step up and step down hose adapters.

Like them both, Dust Deputy  is more stable on the ground, (shorter, and wider)  Clear Vue seems to have all the features of their big cyclones; angled input, long slim taper.  And the plastic is tough.  It's fallen over several times, no damage whatsoever.  Both seem to catch a lot of chips.

I'll take pics tomorrow and post them of each system.

Hope this helps.  Ask any questions of things I may have over looked.

Mike

 

[semenza]

Hi Corwin,

I know these photo's don't pass the uncluttered test, so I hope they suffice.

The first pic shows my mini dust collection system with a WAP, Clear Vue cyclone and Lee Valley small tube plastic distribution system along with a multi-tap extension cord.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=30042&cat=1,42401 
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=51162&cat=1,240,41065

Second pic shows 2 of the 3 down drops (one off camera to the right).  I didn't glue the plastic tubing, so can swing it up and down in one axis.

Pic 3 shows the small blast gate and power connection.  As someone noted the other day, this does lose the anti-static feature of the hose.

Pic 4 is the CT-33 and the Dust Deputy dedicated to the router station.

Pic 5 is another view of the Dust Deputy and various hose adapters.  This Dust Deputy is the large model with a 2" port; their standard is 1 1/2" port (may be fine, but I wanted one nearer to the Festool hose size.)   .

Any other details needed?

Best, Mike

  Hi,

        Did you cut your Festool hoses shorter to make more?  Also I just ordered a ETS150, I have a 6" sander sitter, does it work well on it?

Seth

 

[Bru]

Just mounted a cyclone to my CT22. Works like a charm. Took a 1/2" piece of ply cut to fit the tool holder, notched for the tool holder clips. Mounted a 5 gallon bucket, made a cage out of extra 3/4" dowel and hardwood scraps. Added a hold down on the other side, one screw and a couple pieces of hardwood. Cyclone I bought at Woodcraft, three fittings, one hose clamp, and some clear hose, about $55 total. Use the cage as a handle to drag to CT around the shop, great place to hang power cord and vac hose. Thanks for all the tips. Bru

 

[Bru]

Updates my Ct22 today with a Festool green bucket, really added to the look. Mini cyclone works great, played with the Domino and RO 150 sander. Also added 2 cup hooks and a bungee cord to stop possible tip overs.

 

[semenza]

Hi,

  You know of course that we need to see a new pic with the improved   green bucket.

Seth

 

[Texastutt]

Pic 4 is the CT-33 and the Dust Deputy dedicated to the router station.

Pic 5 is another view of the Dust Deputy and various hose adapters.  This Dust Deputy is the large model with a 2" port; their standard is 1 1/2" port (may be fine, but I wanted one nearer to the Festool hose size.)  .

Any other details needed?

YES, if your ordering from Lee Valley I assume your in Canada? where did you get the Dust Deputy, and would it transport well to jobsites?