Wood getting stuck on CMS TS55

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Vorpal

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Hey Guys,

Somewhere I'm going astray. Recently got a hold of the CMS insert for the TS55. I've set it up with the precisio fence, but when I run my piece of wood through it's getting tight and stuck between the fence and the blade nearly every run.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks.
 
Sounds like you've got something out of alignment. Try measuring the distance from the fence to the front of the bland and from the fence to the rear of the blade.

I've got the setup with the TS75 and have no problem.

 
No No No, take no notice of the comment referring to measuring the front and back of the blade. Slide the face plate on the guide fence until the rear edge is about half way between the front edge of the blade and the arbour, problem solved, once the teeth have cut the timber there is no need for guidance you only need guidance up to the teeth.
 
Please, do take notice of the comment referring to measuring the front and back. You definitely do need continued guidance, also after you've reached the teeth.

I have the very same problem with the CS70 precisio fence, the front and the back don't align perfectly straight. Since you have the CMS I assume you use the CS50 Precisio fence, but the principle is the same. I always measure front and back to make sure the fence is aligned perfectly to the blade. The lines in the table top can also be used as reference.

 
Alex said:
Please, do take notice of the comment referring to measuring the front and back. You definitely do need continued guidance, also after you've reached the teeth.

I have the very same problem with the CS70 precisio fence, the front and the back don't align perfectly straight. Since you have the CMS I assume you use the CS50 Precisio fence, but the principle is the same. I always measure front and back to make sure the fence is aligned perfectly to the blade. The lines in the table top can also be used as reference.
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I would be very interested to find out who taught you that guidance is needed after the cutting action has been performed, you are obviously not a woodworking machinist so please confide in me, a 34 year plus apprenticeship in woodwork.
 
Big G said:
Alex said:
Please, do take notice of the comment referring to measuring the front and back. You definitely do need continued guidance, also after you've reached the teeth.

I have the very same problem with the CS70 precisio fence, the front and the back don't align perfectly straight. Since you have the CMS I assume you use the CS50 Precisio fence, but the principle is the same. I always measure front and back to make sure the fence is aligned perfectly to the blade. The lines in the table top can also be used as reference.
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I would be very interested to find out who taught you that guidance is needed after the cutting action has been performed, you are obviously not a woodworking machinist so please confide in me, a 34 year plus apprenticeship in woodwork.
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Whether you have a clue what you're talking about or not doesn't give you the right to be rude and arrogant. Take your attitude someplace else, your manner is not welcome here.
 
Vorpal said:
Hey Guys,

Somewhere I'm going astray. Recently got a hold of the CMS insert for the TS55. I've set it up with the precisio fence, but when I run my piece of wood through it's getting tight and stuck between the fence and the blade nearly every run.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks.
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Other than checking that the fence is parallel with the blade...

Can you tell me where it stops?  I had a problem where my TS plate was slightly lower than the table and wood pieces were running into it and stopping or catching. If your pieces stop, than this might be your issue.

If they are just getting tight and the blade seems to slow down or fight with the wood, you may not be parallel to the fence.

Let us know if this helps.

Cheers. Bryan.
 
Can you post either a few photos of a video of the saw with the wood stuck?

Is it a hard stop or just getting harder to push the wood through?
 
I had a similar problem with my ts 75. Even with rear of the aux fence stopping at the back of the blade.
Remember the blade cuts only on the front of the blade.

I ended adjust the fence with the rear of the blade set about 2 mm out away from the blade. I also tighten the rear of the fence first before I tighten the knob locking the front of the fence .

That seems to work for me.
 
The rear blade can cut as well... Just upwards
I think that happens in a kickback.
 
Big G said:
Alex said:
Please, do take notice of the comment referring to measuring the front and back. You definitely do need continued guidance, also after you've reached the teeth.

I have the very same problem with the CS70 precisio fence, the front and the back don't align perfectly straight. Since you have the CMS I assume you use the CS50 Precisio fence, but the principle is the same. I always measure front and back to make sure the fence is aligned perfectly to the blade. The lines in the table top can also be used as reference.
Click to expand...

I would be very interested to find out who taught you that guidance is needed after the cutting action has been performed, you are obviously not a woodworking machinist so please confide in me, a 34 year plus apprenticeship in woodwork.
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No sorry, I will not confide in anyone who says a table saws' fence doesn't need to be parallel to the blade. Because your advice above doesn't really fix the underlying problem. If you don't feed wood straight into the blade then at one point it will touch the side of the blade and cause friction.

"34 year plus apprenticeship" what does that mean, that you're an apprentice for 34 years?  [tongue]
 
Thanks for all the responses, guys.

I wasn't able to spend much time in the workshop today so didn't take any pictures, but I'm really wondering whether the ts55 cms system is worth it. I don't really have the funds for a dedicated table saw at the moment, but the fence is really pissing me off.

Is there suppose to be so much flex in the precisio rip fence? Surely I shouldn't have to manually check the distance at the front and back to the blade every single time?
 
There seems to be some debate on the precision of the "presario".
I have been looking at them but still flaffin about.

You may want to do some searching and if you are still within your 30 days then make sure it is doing what you've expected.
 
Holmz said:
There seems to be some debate on the precision of the "presario".
I have been looking at them but still flaffin about.

You may want to do some searching and if you are still within your 30 days then make sure it is doing what you've expected.
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I'm using the CMS TS as a stop gap before I get a serious table saw. I feel the CS70 is in need of a revamp and the CS50 is lost between a high quality hobby saw and a site saw.

All that said, I've taken the time to setup my TS75 in the CMS TS accurately and I get a beautiful and clean cut !!
 
What fence are you using Kev? Are you finding that you have to adjust the fence a lot?
 
Is there a way to adjust the play in that fence? I'm using that too and the front and back aren't moving together at the same rate,  thus my width is off...
 
I do have a table saw and it's a honking big one and amazingly accurate! I also have the TS55 with a dual MFT setup. I do not have a CMS.

On my table saw, the relationship of the fence to the blade is extremely critical. I use the best measuring tools available to ensure the alignment is dead on to the extent a high quality dial indicator can measure along the full length of the fence. The blade, the table top, and the fence have to be in as perfect alignment as possible to be accurate and safe.

I don't understand the rationale behind the statement that the portion of the fence behind the blade does not have to be parallel to the blade. Perhaps, with a 2-piece fence, the section of the fence behind the blade can be set back so it doesn't contact the wood. But, it seems like one would be giving up 1/2 of the guidance available to guide the work piece.

I find that blade misalignment can cause burning and/or kickbacks.
 
Vorpal said:
Is there a way to adjust the play in that fence? I'm using that too and the front and back aren't moving together at the same rate,  thus my width is off...
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Can't recall anything that would adjust the angle it clamps. Does the far end of yours move freely when its all released?
 
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