Woodcraft Festool Giveaway

[TomCrawford]

Woodcraft is having a big giveaway.  Full shop of  Festool, Roundtrip to Las Vagas, 3 night stay, 2 days training at Festool. Go to    woodcraft.com/fantasycamp   to register.

By the way - this is AOINA    (Available Only In North America)  So there all you NAINA!!

 

[jonny round boy]

By the way - this is AOINA    (Available Only In North America)  So there all you NAINA!!

How dare you 

You'd never find us 'foreigners' taunting you in such a way...

BTW, my Kapex is still working fine, thanks for asking  ;D

 

[Eli]

Ahhhh, but I could use my DAD'S address. Vegas here I come!

 

[jonny round boy]

Ahhhh, but I could use my DAD'S address. Vegas here I come!

Can I use your dad's address, too? :'( :'( :'(

 

[Eli]

Knowing my Dad, he'll make you pay rent.

 

[Matthew Schenker]

TomCrawford,
I noticed this in a recent mailing.

It's an interesting development.  As most people know, Festool's policy has long been that vendors are not allowed to offer sales or discounts.  Woodcraft is doing more of a pure giveaway.  But still, I've noticed various other vendors offering a kind of de facto discount through some other deal tied to Festool, which makes it essentially an indirect Festool discount.

I'm not offering any opinion on this, just stating it as an interesting development.

Matthew

 

[Fred West]

It appears that once I signed up for the fantasy camp all further signups have been shut down so the rest of you need not enter.  ;D Fred

 

[Dan Clermont]

It's an interesting development.  As most people know, Festool's policy has long been that vendors are not allowed to offer sales or discounts.  Woodcraft is doing more of a pure giveaway.  But still, I've noticed various other vendors offering a kind of de facto discount through some other deal tied to Festool, which makes it essentially an indirect Festool discount.

Matthew

Hi Mathew,

THe Festool dealers I have talked to in the past seemed to be sticking to the rules and will offer discounts on other products but not Festool. Essentially they would offer a discount on "Whiteside Router Bits"  when you bought your Festool . It has been awhile since I have called for a new tool but that was the status at that time.

To be honest, at one time I was trying to find a dealer whom I could buy "Whiteside Router Bits" from and they threw a Festool into the shipment so I wouldn't have to cross the border to pick up my Festool. No dealer in the US would do that or at least the ones I called were not willing.

Bummer

Dan (who is still waiting for Hafele to call him back on a price for the MFT, Rotex and CT 22 he bought over a month ago from someone in the US)

 

[Bob Marino]

TomCrawford,
I noticed this in a recent mailing.

It's an interesting development.  As most people know, Festool's policy has long been that vendors are not allowed to offer sales or discounts.  Woodcraft is doing more of a pure giveaway.  But still, I've noticed various other vendors offering a kind of de facto discount through some other deal tied to Festool, which makes it essentially an indirect Festool discount.

I'm not offering any opinion on this, just stating it as an interesting development.

Matthew

Matthew,

If you are referring to contests, where the prize is a Festool tool or accessory, that is allowed, no problem at all, as long as the contest is a legitmate one.
My understanding about a situation, like what Dan states, where a store owner for example, says "I can't discount the Festool tools, but I will give you $50.00 off the Whiteside bits if you buy the Festool tools" is not allowed. Does that happen? Yes. Is is difficult to monitor? Of course.

Bob

 

[Matthew Schenker]

Bob,
Yes, the Woodcraft giveaway is not really in the same league as discounts on non-Festool items linked to the sale of Festool items.  But it does speak to the growing popularity of Festool that they are becoming a way to attract customers.
Matthew

 

[clintholeman]

It appears that once I signed up for the fantasy camp all further signups have been shut down so the rest of you need not enter.  ;D Fred

Fortunately, I signed up just BEFORE you did and there was no need for you to enter, let alone anyone else ;D ;D ;D 

 

[Llap Goch]

Las Vegas Huh! 

A den of iniquity. All fur coat and no knickers.

If you purchase a Festool here in the Principality you are entered into a draw for a ticket to the
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch Sheep Dog Trials.

The lucky winner gets an all expenses paid trip to Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch by bus, a free hamburger (onions, ketchup and mustard not included), a cup of tea (not Liptons, not iced) and will have his photo taken with the winner.

Beat that

 

[jonny round boy]

Las Vegas Huh! 

A den of iniquity. All fur coat and no knickers.

If you purchase a Festool here in the Principality you are entered into a draw for a ticket to the
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch Sheep Dog Trials.

The lucky winner gets an all expenses paid trip to Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch by bus, a free hamburger (onions, ketchup and mustard not included), a cup of tea (not Liptons, not iced) and will have his photo taken with the winner.

Beat that

Or, if you're really unlucky, you get the booby prize - exactly the same as above, except the bus ticket is just one way... ;D

 

[Overtime]

Hmmm,  Las Vegas and Festools !  What a pair !

Here is one of the Lillangoch participants  ;D

 

[Dave Ronyak]

Yesterday I heard a couple of high powered (and very high cost) anti-trust lawyers speak on the issue of resale price maintenance.  (One came from Brussels where he has worked on these legal issues for over 20 years.)  They confirmed that such practice is now legal in USA (It wasn't a few years ago) and in contrast, it is illegal in Europe.  In other words, in European member countries, Festool cannot require its dealers to sell at set prices or prohibit them from selling at a discount to suggested prices.  Festool in Europe cannot prevent a person in UK from buying a Festool in Germany and bringing it into UK if the German dealer offers a lower price.

Dave R.

 

[Programmergeek]

It is not that simple they can only sugest you sell it at retail it in the states as far as I know.  But they get to pick who they want to be dealers and they can drop you any time.  Most brands try but one they get to big this system usally colapases.  Festool has done a good job maintaining it and it really helps the local festool dealers.  Festool didn't want internet sales now there stuff is avaiable on the internet so there rules are slowley breaking down.  To bad, I think the dealer has something to offer in the tool industry. 

Note: I do not work for a dealer I am just a hobbiest.   

 

[Bob Marino]

It is not that simple they can only sugest you sell it at retail it in the states as far as I know.  But they get to pick who they want to be dealers and they can drop you any time.  Most brands try but one they get to big this system usally colapases.  Festool has done a good job maintaining it and it really helps the local festool dealers.  Festool didn't want internet sales now there stuff is avaiable on the internet so there rules are slowley breaking down.  To bad, I think the dealer has something to offer in the tool industry. 

Note: I do not work for a dealer I am just a hobbiest.   

What makes you say that Festool did not want internet sales? They have always had local dealers as well as Internet dealers and every mix in between and supported them all.

Bob

 

[John Lloyd]

I think there's still a reasonableness test in USA whether resale price maintenance schemes are legal. They're not legal per se.

Festool's resale scheme seems reasonable. What's confusing is their branding. Festool have put their message and cachet in a blender by the range of distribution channels with different incentives. For example, after being told by a big retailer's salesman, sure, the AT-75 could be used for rough framing, I pulled the reserve chute and simply asked users incl. FOG.

I wonder whether it's typical for a brand message to be better articulated by the buyers than the sellers. It's true for Festool. To me, the message is, "The best long-term value if you demand the best of your tools and your work, and aren't achieving it now."

(This is a vote for the individual Festool dealer.)

 

[Dave Ronyak]

It is not that simple they can only sugest you sell it at retail it in the states as far as I know.  But they get to pick who they want to be dealers and they can drop you any time.  Most brands try but one they get to big this system usally colapases.  Festool has done a good job maintaining it and it really helps the local festool dealers.  Festool didn't want internet sales now there stuff is avaiable on the internet so there rules are slowley breaking down.  To bad, I think the dealer has something to offer in the tool industry. 

Note: I do not work for a dealer I am just a hobbiest.   

I am absolutely certain of my statement regarding Festool's right to dictate the retail price of its products in USA.  On the last day of the 2006-2007 term of court, the Supreme Court issued its long-awaited opinion in Leegin Creative Leather Products, Inc. v. PSKS, Inc.  The Court held that minimum vertical price fixing is no longer per se unlawful under the Sherman Act, but rather should be analyzed under the rule of reason. The Court's decision reverses the 1911 case Dr. Miles Medical Co. v. John D. Park & Sons Co., 220 U.S. 373 (1911). The opinion is available here [and elsewhere on the internet]. http://scotusblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/06-480.pdf

Re stocking dealers and internet sales, I have used both, and primarily rely on "Uncle Bob" due to his high level of knowledge of Festool products and his high level of customer service.  Bob's standing among members of FOG strongly supports the assertions of those who argued that such price maintenance requirements provide benefits to customers. The European Commission currently has a different view, and thus a different law and legal policy for countries who are members of the EEC.

Dave R.

 

[LaserGecko]

I much prefer buying Festools from a Festool-centric or Festool-only dealer like Bob Marino. I hate calling the local supplier and knowing more about the product than the person on the phone. That's not always the case, but it usually is. Case in point: "They don't make the NiCds any more." Grrrrrrr! Plus, the only drill they had in stock was the basic 1.3Ah set.

"We can order it for you, though."

...or I can call Uncle Bob and have it in the mail before you guys can even figure out the part number and how long it will take to get here, plus get the expert opinion of someone who actually uses the tools instead of an employee who really wants to get one someday.

Too damned bad they closed the Nevada distribution point or I'd have it in my hot little hands right now!