Just received email today and placed order. thought all would like to know. I have seen a lot of requests for this item on a lot of boards.
http://www.woodpeck.com/carpentertriangles.HTML
http://www.woodpeck.com/carpentertriangles.HTML
Woodpecker's 18" Square in back
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http://www.woodpeck.com/carpentertriangles.html
Lots of folks asked for these - lets make sure Woodpecker gets a good response!!
Lots of folks asked for these - lets make sure Woodpecker gets a good response!!
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copcarcollector said:
WP picked the correct color for their items, I feel as though I just gave some blood every time I buy one of their great layout tools...
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I ordered the 12". I've learned that if I don't buy one of their one-time tools, I regret it later. I don't buy them all, but a lot of them and I use them all.
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Now to decide on whether the 12 inch or 18 inch is a better choice.... [scratch chin]
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ScotF said:
Can you think of any instance where the 18" won't work? If no then I would go for the 18. I'm buying the 18"
If you ever run into a project where you need a 12" square, you can always buy their 1281 12" precision square which is a "full time tool" and also can usually be found a bit cheaper than the 12" triangle and also probably free shipping
John
Edit....just checked online quick and it looks like our good friends over at Tool Nut have the best deal going on the 1281. $89.99 with free shipping Its on their festoolproducts.com site. Comes with the mdf tray so compared to the 12" triangle + ~$15 shipping it saves you about $45!! HERE is the link
I have the 12" Swanson's (I think it is Swanson's without going to the shop to check brand) triangle square along with several of their 6". the 6's were always in my back pocket when i was in construction. Now, the 12 is my go-to for everyday use. There are times when squaring up panels when I would like a bigger square. i still have several old steel carpenter's framing squares, one of which resides on my tool wall pannel, that get used maybe once a year or two. I like the flat "foot' that is along one edge of the swanson squares for several reasons, all of which show on the woodpecker site for their 12" & 18" carpenter squares. That foot is handy for squaring a board that is being clamped into a rabbet as it will stand in place while adjusting the wood.
I use the 12" Swanson square for checking my Festoy fences on MFT and CMS. Especially the MFT fences, that foot fits perfectly into the slots with no play as I check my guide rail for square. That was when i was using the MFT protractor for setting my fence/guide rail squareness. I could just set the foot into the fence slot and check my adjustments without having to hold the square. It looks as if i would be able to do the same with the Woodpecker squares.
I like the idea of the 18" square with the foot. It is so much easier, to say nothing of accuracy, to hang that edge over and against the pannel edge and have 18" for drawing or referrencing across the pannel. The longer the line setup tool, the better the accuracy. There are the very few times when i would like not to have that foot on my Swanson's. The woodpecker square has the foot removable. that looks like another plus to me.
I think that all in all, even tho it won't get used any where near as often as my 12" swanson, that 18' woodpecker square will be a bargian that will prove itself the few times I do use it. i have the close out date listed on my callender so i won't forget to order. right now, i am awaiting a couple of other WP One Timers to sow up. Don't want to stretch my luck too fast here. [blink]
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I use the 12" Swanson square for checking my Festoy fences on MFT and CMS. Especially the MFT fences, that foot fits perfectly into the slots with no play as I check my guide rail for square. That was when i was using the MFT protractor for setting my fence/guide rail squareness. I could just set the foot into the fence slot and check my adjustments without having to hold the square. It looks as if i would be able to do the same with the Woodpecker squares.
I like the idea of the 18" square with the foot. It is so much easier, to say nothing of accuracy, to hang that edge over and against the pannel edge and have 18" for drawing or referrencing across the pannel. The longer the line setup tool, the better the accuracy. There are the very few times when i would like not to have that foot on my Swanson's. The woodpecker square has the foot removable. that looks like another plus to me.
I think that all in all, even tho it won't get used any where near as often as my 12" swanson, that 18' woodpecker square will be a bargian that will prove itself the few times I do use it. i have the close out date listed on my callender so i won't forget to order. right now, i am awaiting a couple of other WP One Timers to sow up. Don't want to stretch my luck too fast here. [blink]
Tinker
Carbide Processors is offering these with free shipping!
Wish I had got their email yesterday.
http://www.carbideprocessors.com/woodpeckers-router-accessories/woodpeckers-one-time-tools/
Wish I had got their email yesterday.
http://www.carbideprocessors.com/woodpeckers-router-accessories/woodpeckers-one-time-tools/
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We have just been informed by Woodpecker that we will not be allowed to sell the latest Woodpecker's One Time Tool- The Carpenter Triangle because we offered Free Shipping on this item.
We try to offer the best deals and service we can, but are sometimes restricted by the manufacture on doing this.
Woodpecker's has a policy that we were not aware of at the time we sent our latest newsletter that restricts us from allowing free shipping or discounts on the One Time Tools Promotional items.
We are very sorry for the inconvenience.
We try to offer the best deals and service we can, but are sometimes restricted by the manufacture on doing this.
Woodpecker's has a policy that we were not aware of at the time we sent our latest newsletter that restricts us from allowing free shipping or discounts on the One Time Tools Promotional items.
We are very sorry for the inconvenience.
I see that Carbide Processors was reprimanded for offering free shipping. Apparently it's against the policy. Makes me wonder if the products are worth paying that much more for. Don't get me wrong, I love their tools, but most "premium" product companies don't 'ding' the buyer with required shipping charges on top of premium pricing. That being said, I know I'm always free to choose not to buy and wish I hadn't now.
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Kelauben,
Just a few points to make on your previous post about the value of woodpeckers products..
I recently had a few back and forth emails with Richard Hummel, president/owner of Woodpeckers (great guy by the way).
They only own one machine that will CNC large plate material to this accuracy and with the clamping methods needed to make it work, with these machines running in the ballpark of 200k, you begin to see where overhead adds up. Now take into account that the aluminum they are using is of an extremely high quality, there is a lot of waste per piece made and I'm sure it doesn't come cheap. The fact that woodpeckers holds such high quality standards and scraps any tool that fails their .001 accuracy test definetly adds to the cost but then again ensures that every tool that leaves their shop is dead accurate and you never have to think twice about trusting it. Add in employees and their associated costs, insurances, buildings, electricity, heat/ac.......... well u get the point, it all adds up
I'm sure these guys arent getting filthy rich off of their one time tools, rather are offering unique, useful, original tools at a reasonable price when all things are considered. The shipping charge is there so they can maintain what realistic markup they have on the tool which keeps their doors open
Remember these are small batch tools, which increases per piece costs and also takes away from them manufacturing other stock items they sell
Essentially they have the same policy as festool where they don't want one distributer to have an edge over another through lower pricing
Maybe what they should do is set up a fixed price on one time tools for dealers, that way if a dealer wanted to take a risk and order a large number of one time tools to keep as inventory they could do so, as long as they were sold as a minimum price
If woodpeckers included the cost of std. Shipping in the price of their tools would that be better? Probably not because if you buy more than one tool at a time from them, the included shipping price would work out to be more expensive than min tool price plus actual shipping
Woodpeckers is a great company that offers premium products which have a lot of value to woodworkers and others, I will continue to buy their products and thank them for what they do
John
Just a few points to make on your previous post about the value of woodpeckers products..
I recently had a few back and forth emails with Richard Hummel, president/owner of Woodpeckers (great guy by the way).
They only own one machine that will CNC large plate material to this accuracy and with the clamping methods needed to make it work, with these machines running in the ballpark of 200k, you begin to see where overhead adds up. Now take into account that the aluminum they are using is of an extremely high quality, there is a lot of waste per piece made and I'm sure it doesn't come cheap. The fact that woodpeckers holds such high quality standards and scraps any tool that fails their .001 accuracy test definetly adds to the cost but then again ensures that every tool that leaves their shop is dead accurate and you never have to think twice about trusting it. Add in employees and their associated costs, insurances, buildings, electricity, heat/ac.......... well u get the point, it all adds up
I'm sure these guys arent getting filthy rich off of their one time tools, rather are offering unique, useful, original tools at a reasonable price when all things are considered. The shipping charge is there so they can maintain what realistic markup they have on the tool which keeps their doors open
Remember these are small batch tools, which increases per piece costs and also takes away from them manufacturing other stock items they sell
Essentially they have the same policy as festool where they don't want one distributer to have an edge over another through lower pricing
Maybe what they should do is set up a fixed price on one time tools for dealers, that way if a dealer wanted to take a risk and order a large number of one time tools to keep as inventory they could do so, as long as they were sold as a minimum price
If woodpeckers included the cost of std. Shipping in the price of their tools would that be better? Probably not because if you buy more than one tool at a time from them, the included shipping price would work out to be more expensive than min tool price plus actual shipping
Woodpeckers is a great company that offers premium products which have a lot of value to woodworkers and others, I will continue to buy their products and thank them for what they do
John
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But clearly Festool does not prevent dealers from offering free shipping.
FESTOYS are not made with time/quantity limitations in mind. There is a difference when such are added in to the costs. Woodpecker does not keep a backlog of their one time tools. in one rspect, it is cheaper for them to only order what has been ordered from them. On the other hand, it must be more costly on a per item basis to set a limit to only what is ordered. I agree with the policy.
I have only ordered very few of their products, all one time products. All still on order. I will know whether i still agree when I gets my new toys.
Tinker
I have only ordered very few of their products, all one time products. All still on order. I will know whether i still agree when I gets my new toys.
Tinker
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where the manufacturer can send out edicts to their dealers on exactly what they can offer to customers.
Well this topic is way off track, but - isn't the above exactly what Festool does (in the USA anyhow)? They tell the dealer to sell XX product at XX dollars, or they are no longer a dealer. 99% of Festool ships at no cost, and out of state dealers bypass sales tax - so the price is the same across the board, set by the manufacturer....
No I am not complaining, I have a bunch of Festools and want more - but to me this is the same.
I am in the hobby (toy cars) biz, and this is common in this industry too. Manufacturers say they are protecting their brands buy requiring retailers to sell at the same price, so free shipping is the only 'discount' you can offer. Fair or not it is what it is, and if you want to offer certain things to your customers, you play along---
I am buying my woodpeckers one time triangle direct from woodpeckers. I would rather they get the full profit instead of wholesale.
Well this topic is way off track, but - isn't the above exactly what Festool does (in the USA anyhow)? They tell the dealer to sell XX product at XX dollars, or they are no longer a dealer. 99% of Festool ships at no cost, and out of state dealers bypass sales tax - so the price is the same across the board, set by the manufacturer....
No I am not complaining, I have a bunch of Festools and want more - but to me this is the same.
I am in the hobby (toy cars) biz, and this is common in this industry too. Manufacturers say they are protecting their brands buy requiring retailers to sell at the same price, so free shipping is the only 'discount' you can offer. Fair or not it is what it is, and if you want to offer certain things to your customers, you play along---
I am buying my woodpeckers one time triangle direct from woodpeckers. I would rather they get the full profit instead of wholesale.
Well, I'm glad they offered to do another run. I will say, $15 in shipping really is pretty reasonable (yes, on a premium priced product). By the time my order was ready, I was up to a $500 tab. The extra bits brought my shipping total to $20! [eek] All kidding aside, I've always been thrilled with the quality of the product, and yes, you pay for it. The only part I don't like is the wait on the one time stuff. I'm used to instant gratification and this is anything but! 
Carbide Processors was able to work out their misunderstanding with Woodpecker's and is able to sell these again. If your order totals over $150 then they can offer free shipping under their standard policy--not as a promotion for the square.
As someone on the Left Coast, I have always found Carbide Processor's shipping charges to be much more reasonable than Woodpecker's in any case. Don't quite understand why Woodpecker's consistently charges so much for shipping and handling (at least in my experience as compared to other specialty sellers).
Phred
http://www.carbideprocessors.com/woodpeckers-router-accessories/woodpeckers-one-time-tools/
As someone on the Left Coast, I have always found Carbide Processor's shipping charges to be much more reasonable than Woodpecker's in any case. Don't quite understand why Woodpecker's consistently charges so much for shipping and handling (at least in my experience as compared to other specialty sellers).
Phred
http://www.carbideprocessors.com/woodpeckers-router-accessories/woodpeckers-one-time-tools/
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