Woodpecker's 18" Square in back
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i never meant to focus on a festool vs woodpeckers thing, just that festools minimum pricing was the same as woodpeckers policy.. look at woodpeckers tool + shipping as one number, this being the minimum and you should see what i mean.
No they dont prevent them, but festool dosent actually sell their own tools either.. you can bet that if they still did sell their own stuff, and decided to charge shipping... that all dealers would then have to charge shipping (only an assumption of course)
you better believe that festool factors in their overall shipping costs and factors that into the tools cost as an overhead figure... that in turn bumps up the dealers cost, which in turn bumps up the consumers cost.. so Festool is getting their shipping covered
i hear what your saying on both sides of pricing economy.. i would think though that since festools tool parts and materials aren't perishable or becoming obsolete on a regular basis that even though they have a large sum of money tied up into inventory it is almost a static figure... it is constantly being replenished... since they buy in such large quantities it must lower the unit price of each piece. everyone knows that switching from one task to another is not productive time.. woodpeckers having to shut down and reprogram their only machine suitable for this type of work is costly all by itself add in higher per unit prices for material because of lesser quanities ordered and it add to the cost of the tool quickly...
[eek] i dont even really know where to go with this one... look at what forum your on, you might be in germany now where you can get 10% off of some accessories (maybe also other discounts on other stuff, im not sure and that is not the point) be ready when you get back to the states though... the price is the price!
dont anyone get me wrong, i actually agree with this method... obviously i do, i buy festool.... yeah everyone loves to get a good deal or a sale price here or there but maintaing a set price on an item does protect the brand and the prestige that comes along with owning that brand.
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copcar, you sure are right.. this topic sure did get off track... lets get it back... for those of you who cant se the value in a $170 square, both quality wise and for the stand up company that makes these goodies for all of us nuts, i think depot sells a 12" empire for around $17 (be careful if you buy one from homedepot.com, you will have to spend another $28 to qualify for free shipping [tongue] )
for the rest of us, lets fiqure out how to explain to our wives that we NEEDED it!! [laughing] [laughing]
John
promark747 said:
No they dont prevent them, but festool dosent actually sell their own tools either.. you can bet that if they still did sell their own stuff, and decided to charge shipping... that all dealers would then have to charge shipping (only an assumption of course)
you better believe that festool factors in their overall shipping costs and factors that into the tools cost as an overhead figure... that in turn bumps up the dealers cost, which in turn bumps up the consumers cost.. so Festool is getting their shipping covered
your gonna like your new toys for sure!! top notch stuff!!!Tinker said:
i hear what your saying on both sides of pricing economy.. i would think though that since festools tool parts and materials aren't perishable or becoming obsolete on a regular basis that even though they have a large sum of money tied up into inventory it is almost a static figure... it is constantly being replenished... since they buy in such large quantities it must lower the unit price of each piece. everyone knows that switching from one task to another is not productive time.. woodpeckers having to shut down and reprogram their only machine suitable for this type of work is costly all by itself add in higher per unit prices for material because of lesser quanities ordered and it add to the cost of the tool quickly...
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[eek] i dont even really know where to go with this one... look at what forum your on, you might be in germany now where you can get 10% off of some accessories (maybe also other discounts on other stuff, im not sure and that is not the point) be ready when you get back to the states though... the price is the price!
dont anyone get me wrong, i actually agree with this method... obviously i do, i buy festool.... yeah everyone loves to get a good deal or a sale price here or there but maintaing a set price on an item does protect the brand and the prestige that comes along with owning that brand.
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RKA said:Well, I'm glad they offered to do another run. I will say, $15 in shipping really is pretty reasonable (yes, on a premium priced product). By the time my order was ready, I was up to a $500 tab. The extra bits brought my shipping total to $20! [eek] All kidding aside, I've always been thrilled with the quality of the product, and yes, you pay for it. The only part I don't like is the wait on the one time stuff. I'm used to instant gratification and this is anything but!
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copcar, you sure are right.. this topic sure did get off track... lets get it back... for those of you who cant se the value in a $170 square, both quality wise and for the stand up company that makes these goodies for all of us nuts, i think depot sells a 12" empire for around $17 (be careful if you buy one from homedepot.com, you will have to spend another $28 to qualify for free shipping [tongue] )
for the rest of us, lets fiqure out how to explain to our wives that we NEEDED it!! [laughing] [laughing]
John
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Glad to see that everything worked out well with Carbide Processors
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A few glasses of French Brandy and late at night....causes posts that do not "quite" reflect what my intention was! [sad]
Won't expound on what I was actually trying to say....not the right forum.
I want the 18" Square, and will buy it. Just don't like being hit with $15 shipping charge which I feel is excessive and is just there to boost profit. $.02 [unsure]
Won't expound on what I was actually trying to say....not the right forum.
I want the 18" Square, and will buy it. Just don't like being hit with $15 shipping charge which I feel is excessive and is just there to boost profit. $.02 [unsure]
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Phred said:
I've bought allot of tools from them over the years, and have always been happy with their stuff, and way of doing business.
I have no idea what actually transpired between them and Carbide, but I'm glad it worked out.
As far as shipping cost on this particular item, my guess is the size and shape of the package.
My last order from them, for 4 pair of box clamps, I had 4 different shipping options offered by them, with 4 different prices.
So let's give WoodPeckers the benefit of the doubt, shall we...
So they are expensive. festoy and woodpeck both are. Nobody is telling any of us we have to buy either one.
I buy the Festoys at their (whoever I am asking for delivery) prices. no questions asked. I know i am going to bring home a quality tool that will allow me to increase my accuracy as well as productivity, both of which still are somewhat less than desirable, but improving. I learned many moons ago that cheap ain't always cheep. when i know I am getting the quality I am expecting, I do not feel encroached upon when i am told i must pay the same price wherever I buy my Festoys or my Woodpeckers. It is still my choice.
Tinker
I buy the Festoys at their (whoever I am asking for delivery) prices. no questions asked. I know i am going to bring home a quality tool that will allow me to increase my accuracy as well as productivity, both of which still are somewhat less than desirable, but improving. I learned many moons ago that cheap ain't always cheep. when i know I am getting the quality I am expecting, I do not feel encroached upon when i am told i must pay the same price wherever I buy my Festoys or my Woodpeckers. It is still my choice.
Tinker
SittingElf said:
I guess that depends on your point of view. If you're used to amazon prime, yes, it's highway robbery. But for a small business, I suspect it costs at least $10 to ship with some king of small volume discount. Heck, even the smallest packages now cost me close to $10 via UPS, and this is an 18" square! Add to that they actually use quality cardboard boxes and spend the time to make sure every tidbit is packed and secured well (amazon pretends to do this, but they can't afford the time it would take). I'm fairly confident UPS wouldn't do the contents harm in spite of their best efforts.
In woodpeckers case, they really can't afford amazon's "toss it in a box" model. If the customer waited 3 months for a tool and it gets damaged in transit due to poor packing and there is no replacement stock on hand, you'll have one unhappy customer! Anyway, my point is I see where the money goes and I really don't think the shipping fees are a profit center, I think the product is.
. One could argue that's the cost of doing business and marketing to a niche clientele, but if it were really a problem, they wouldn't be in business. 
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People don't understand how much shipping actually costs. If you buy the 18" triangle with the MDF holder, that sucker is heavy! I think $15-20 shipping is very reasonable to ship that across the country. As was said above, Woodpecker does a good job protecting their products for shipping. Lets not forget about overhead - boxes, tape, software, and of course, personnel. Even with higher shipping volumes and discounts offered by UPS and FedEx, shipping is just plain expensive!!
One advantage over a drafting square is the Woopecker model has a wide "foot" that allows the square to stand or be quickly slid up to an edge and catch it. The wide side can be slid up to the rail on a MFT while a drafting square will slide under it.
With the drafting square, i have to be X-tra careful to be sure the edges line up if measuring over the top of a sheet of ply. I have to go mostly by feel and hope nothing shifts. With the "hook" on one edge of the woodpecker/swanson squares, i can just slap the foot against the sheet edge and mark away. Much simpler and I know the sqare and marks are dead on.
when checking (and sometimes adjusting) my MFT rail to the fence, i insert the foot of the square into the slot on my fence. It dose not have even a hair f free play in the slot. I do not even need to hold the square in place while i make any necessary adjustment to the rail. with my architects squares, i have to hold onto everything at once while i do my checking/adjusting. Sort of like need an extra pair of hands.
Tinker
when checking (and sometimes adjusting) my MFT rail to the fence, i insert the foot of the square into the slot on my fence. It dose not have even a hair f free play in the slot. I do not even need to hold the square in place while i make any necessary adjustment to the rail. with my architects squares, i have to hold onto everything at once while i do my checking/adjusting. Sort of like need an extra pair of hands.
Tinker
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Looks like WP and CarbideProcessors worked out their misunderwtanding:
http://www.carbideprocessors.com/woodpeckers-router-accessories/woodpeckers-one-time-tools/
Free shipping is available on any order over $150, including the WP squares.
RMW
http://www.carbideprocessors.com/woodpeckers-router-accessories/woodpeckers-one-time-tools/
Free shipping is available on any order over $150, including the WP squares.
RMW
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