Woodpeckers new MFT Square
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I have pre-ordered 3 of these because they will save a whole lot of time checking the set-up of our MFT/3s, but also similar fixtures.
I'll start by saying that I have a home made MFT and use my table saw instead of the MFT with my TS75 for precision cross cutting. However, it would seem to me that a framing square with 2 of these:
http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=44624&cat=1,42936,42944&ap=1
to provide you with the added height required to square up the track on the MFT might work for a fraction of the price.
I use one with my framing square to so the square is kept tight to a piece of wood when I do marking and it works great.
http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=44624&cat=1,42936,42944&ap=1
to provide you with the added height required to square up the track on the MFT might work for a fraction of the price.
I use one with my framing square to so the square is kept tight to a piece of wood when I do marking and it works great.
That much aye... would rather spend that money on another Festool. [cool]Peter Halle said:
Manufacturer's specs on that product indicate that it is economical: http://www.starrett.com/metrology/metrology-products/precision-granite/granite-accessories/three-face-granite-tri-squares
The shipping certainly seems reasonable considering the weight. They are probably using a fixed-price shipping box... (little did the shipping companies know what to expect...)
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If you need something like this and can find something else that works as well or better that is less expensive, you would be foolish to buy it. (That is, unless you can afford it and just want it because you like it. Happiness does have value)
If you need something like this and can't find something else that works as well or better that is less expensive, you would be foolish to not buy it.
This square looks like a quality tool, IMHO.
If you need something like this and can't find something else that works as well or better that is less expensive, you would be foolish to not buy it.
This square looks like a quality tool, IMHO.
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I love Woodpeckers products…
…that said, holy smokes that is expensive.
That is more than I paid for my MFT-3 (which I bought used).
I wish there were a simpler tool that perhaps was less robust for the MFT. I'd think a $100-$130 price point would sell off the shelves.
…Looks like I will have to "settle" with continuing to use my 1281 to square my MFT [tongue]
…that said, holy smokes that is expensive.
That is more than I paid for my MFT-3 (which I bought used).
I wish there were a simpler tool that perhaps was less robust for the MFT. I'd think a $100-$130 price point would sell off the shelves.
…Looks like I will have to "settle" with continuing to use my 1281 to square my MFT [tongue]
So $675 for MFT, $100 for dogs, $275, $200 in clamps for this and we have a $125.00 table. You could by a cabinet saw for that much money. I know portability, but look t 90% of the pics on here they are being used to stationary home use.
First the idea that Festool can't sell you something at that price that is set at square with stops is just wrong and shouldn't be accepted but again there will be people defending it which I just don't understand.
I use my MFT all the time and like it for what it is but $150 to $200 cheaper would be on target for it's use.
As far as Woodpecker their one time tools is a marketing idea that has worked for them. Explain to me the reasoning to sell tools this way? They are tooled up to produce a product so the money is already spent. The reason is to build hype and charge double what it should cost because of the fear of missing out. They must have relatives in the SOCAL housing market.
The idea you would spend $300 to make a square cut is ridiculous. I have a Woodpecker square and it is a niece piece but the aluminum is easily damaged and in all honesty nothing ion woodworking is that accurate to warrant it's use. I use a HD $20 square also and never seen a difference.
First the idea that Festool can't sell you something at that price that is set at square with stops is just wrong and shouldn't be accepted but again there will be people defending it which I just don't understand.
I use my MFT all the time and like it for what it is but $150 to $200 cheaper would be on target for it's use.
As far as Woodpecker their one time tools is a marketing idea that has worked for them. Explain to me the reasoning to sell tools this way? They are tooled up to produce a product so the money is already spent. The reason is to build hype and charge double what it should cost because of the fear of missing out. They must have relatives in the SOCAL housing market.
The idea you would spend $300 to make a square cut is ridiculous. I have a Woodpecker square and it is a niece piece but the aluminum is easily damaged and in all honesty nothing ion woodworking is that accurate to warrant it's use. I use a HD $20 square also and never seen a difference.
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I'm preordering one. Even though it's expensive I'll forget about the price in a while and be left with a awesome tool.
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I was on the fence with their last framing square but couldn't pay $189. Can anyone recommend a nice large accurate an trusted framing square or triangle to square up my MFT and other tools (mitre gauge, mitre saw fence etc).
I liked the lip on the last Woodpecker framing square.
I liked the lip on the last Woodpecker framing square.
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I really like the idea of a thick square for squaring up an MFT and, at first glance, I thought about buying this (even at the high price).
At first, I thought that the holes in the square would align with the holes in the MFT but they obviously do not. If they did, I still might have considered buying it.
I have purchased a couple of Woodpeckers one time items and am quite happy with them.
By the way, I think that Gregory's instructions for setting up the MFT are quite good.
At first, I thought that the holes in the square would align with the holes in the MFT but they obviously do not. If they did, I still might have considered buying it.
I have purchased a couple of Woodpeckers one time items and am quite happy with them.
By the way, I think that Gregory's instructions for setting up the MFT are quite good.
All you need to set up an MFT square is one piece of thick MDF that is known to be square.
And if you don't have one, you have an MFT, so you can make one with the holes grid. Heck even using a trial and error approach, you could make one, all you need is a straight edge to check the squareness and correct if needed.
At some point, we need to face the fact that tool buying becomes a hobby rather than a anything else.
And if you don't have one, you have an MFT, so you can make one with the holes grid. Heck even using a trial and error approach, you could make one, all you need is a straight edge to check the squareness and correct if needed.
At some point, we need to face the fact that tool buying becomes a hobby rather than a anything else.
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Before I started using dogs and a spacer to square my fence, I used a homemade square made of plywood. Mostly because I couldn't buy a big woodpeck "one time" square and had to come up with something to do the job. It took some tweaking and test cuts to get it right, but once I did it worked great. I didn't worry much about dropping it or where to store it. I think I got the idea from someone here back in the day. Mine looked like a big speed square but was 1.5" thick on both edges. Really made it only useful for squaring the MFT (or occasionally during assembly), much like the thing they are releasing now.
If I was still using a square on the MFT, I think I'd still be using the wooden thing.
If I was still using a square on the MFT, I think I'd still be using the wooden thing.
I've thought of this before, but wondered if there would be some wood movement. I realize that MDF is not prone to do that, but I still would wonder if even some slight expansion or contraction from varying moisture levels would make just enough difference that it wouldn't remain square. I thought of mounting some aluminum track along the two edges used to square thus making it similar to the Woodpecker square. With holes drilled exactly in the right spot for dogs, it would simplify the squaring process. Does plywood or MDF move even slightly with differences in humidity?
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