Work in progress - another rolling MFT+CMS cabinet

arso_bg

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Hi everybody

I can't remember when exactly I did plan this improvement in my small workshop, but it was very long time ago. Finally last month I did it. I bought some materials and took the necessary time and voila...I have a rolling MFT cabinet now.

It's moving very smoothly and I can access the MFT table from every side. This is the centerpiece of my small workshop.
It is not finished yet... I haven't decided whether should I make more drawers, or put some systainers inside...
 

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Great design. I think I've seen something similar somewhere... ;-)

I can tell you from experience that it's going to sag. Indeed, I can see you already have a shim under the MFT/3 leg to get things level - I had to do exactly the same. Even six castors wasn't enough and in the end, I bit the bullet and put eight castors on it; that fixed it!

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Hi Garry,

The design is very logical. This is probably why we have almost identical designs :) I am happy to find someone with a similar setup. Maybe we could share some information to solve common problems.

While constructing the cabinet I was thinking about how to prevent the cabinet from sagging in the middle. This is why I have put across the cabinet a stretcher that is 25 mm thick. It is fastened with confirmats. I hope this will prevent the cabinet from sagging. At least for the time being the top of the cabinet is absolutely level.  If it sags anyway I will probably have to put another pair of casters in the middle.

The shims that you see in the pictures under the MFT feet were necessary because the rubber feet of my MFT table are strongly deformed.  I don't know why.  :(

I see that you use the TS 75 module and also the router module.  Do they both sit level in the VL-CMS? Because my OF 1400 module sits perfectly level in the CMS, but the TS 75 module sits a little below the stretchers mounted in the front and back part of the CMS - maybe some 0.25 mm
 
arso_bg said:
Maybe we could share some information to solve common problems.

Absolutely! :-)

arso_bg said:
While constructing the cabinet I was thinking about how to prevent the cabinet from sagging in the middle.

Me too. The challenge for me was maximising the usable space, so I discounted one of the options which was creating a torsion box for the base as that would have reduced storage and drawer space. I had some specific dimensions I wanted to achieve to be able to store various things. Four castors wasn't enough and the middle sagged. Then I added two more in the centre, and when they were adjusted such that the MFT and CMS top was level, the drawers bound on the bottom! So I then removed the centre two and added two more into the mix; total now eight. So with castors at each corner, and then castors under the two vertical stretchers, I have a level surface that is 900mm in height.

arso_bg said:
The shims that you see in the pictures under the MFT feet were necessary because the rubber feet of my MFT table are strongly deformed.

You can buy the feet as a spare part if you want to; they aren't very expensive. The part number is 492255 for a set of four. I replaced all of the ones on my old CS 50 as they had aged and weren't very rubbery any longer!

arso_bg said:
I see that you use the TS 75 module and also the router module.  Do they both sit level in the VL-CMS? Because my OF 1400 module sits perfectly level in the CMS, but the TS 75 module sits a little below the stretchers mounted in the front and back part of the CMS - maybe some 0.25 mm

I don't actually use the TS 75 module in the rolling cabinet (I use it in my CMS-GE) but I wanted to make sure that the hole that I had cut in the top and the permanent shelf height would allow all of my modules to fit and work without issue if I needed them to. Indeed, I now have the parts for an INCRA Mast-R-Lift II (Metric) with AUKTools 2400W Fixed Base Router Remote Speed Control so will actually be fitting that in place of the MFT/3-VL. Next project... ;-)

With regard to the module not sitting flush, I've not had that issue. If anything, the TS 75 module sits slightly higher for me.

Of all the features, my favourite is the centre drawers. In the top drawer, to hand are all my marking, measuring, drawing, cutting, taping, glueing, etc. tools and various odd bits that I use frequently. I was always hunting around for them previously but now they're right at my fingertips. The second drawer then has all my clamps and dogs, and the third has various VAC SYS components and some other bits and pieces. It works so well.

There are no photos of the back yet but the layout is almost the same. Only the section with the MFT/3-VL above is straight through. The middle and far right sections have an intermediate panel, and the plan is for the rear right section to house the VAC SYS compressor and the rear centre section to house my extractor.

Like everyone, just need to find the time to finish it!

 
Hi everybody
Hi Garry

Being warned by Garry and rolling around my micro workshop the new MFT cabinet for a couple of weeks now, I decided to check if the CMS unit and the MFT top are still level. It appeared that the MFT top was about 1 mm lower than the CMS unit precisely where the CMS is not supported.  Although the 1-inch ( 25 mm) thick chipboard is quite a strong material the cabinet obviously sags slowly. This is even before it is loaded with all the drawers and stuff...

My first thought was to add some more casters, but having in mind that the floor of my workshop is quite uneven I decided first to try to reinforce the bottom of the cabinet with an iron construction so that it stays perfectly flat. If the bottom of the cabinet stays flat then the top should stay also flat.

When I am done there will be some pictures.

And if I may ask those of you that have the Festool TS-75 with the CMS module ....are you satisfied with the performance of the TS 75 as a semi-stationary saw?  I understand very well that this is not a fully featured stationary saw but anyway ...
 
arso_bg said:
My first thought was to add some more casters, but having in mind that the floor of my workshop is quite uneven...

Those castors in my photo are levelling castors. So you can wheel them around, but then lock them in at a specific height to give you a rock-solid, completely stable surface. The toothed red bit lowers and highers the "foot" directly beneath it. They have an individual load capacity of 250KG, or 500KG in a set of four, so presumably more than that with my set of eight.

I get them for £31.49 for a set of four from Aim Tools in the UK.
https://www.aimtools.co.uk/products...ling-wheels-4pcs-set-flat?variant=32001333578

 
It took a while ... but now here is my solution in attempt to solve the problem with the sagging of the MFT cabinet - welded iron profile construction fastened to the bottom of the MFT cabinet with 8 mm bolts. Dimensions of the iron profile are 40 x 30 x 3 mm.
Now the bottom and the top of the cabinet are absolutely flat ... and I hope they will stay so also under load...
 

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In building an outfeed table, with Systainer storage, I too had the same concerns about sagging mid-span. My solution was to use 1"x1" 80/20 aluminum sections as stiffeners along the outside edge of the table, with gaps between the casters to avoid interfering with the casters. After about six months of use there has been no sagging.
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Hi everybbody,
I have already published some info and pictures about how I did install a Wixey DRO on the Festool CMS router table. Fast and easy without any modifications. Unfortunately, I have lost somewhere the thread...  :( :(.  This is why I will go on here ...

Today I had some time to play with the installation of the Wixey DRO and make some improvements:

I drilled a 3.5 mm hole for an M4 bolt. I used the drill bit provided by Wixey. ( see pic. 6) and the provided components. I think the rest of the installation is self-explanatory.

I used a Festool T-nut and a 6 mm bolt with a 25 mm plastic star handle for the display. It can fit this way everywhere around the table.

well, that's it.

It works pefect!
 

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arso_bg said:
Hi everybbody,
I have already published some info and pictures about how I did install a Wixey DRO on the Festool CMS router table. Fast and easy without any modifications. Unfortunately, I have lost somewhere the thread...  :( :(.  This is why I will go on here ...

Today I had some time to play with the installation of the Wixey DRO and make some improvements:

I drilled a 3.5 mm hole for an M4 bolt. I used the drill bit provided by Wixey. ( see pic. 6) and the provided components. I think the rest of the installation is self-explanatory.

I used a Festool T-nut and a 6 mm bolt with a 25 mm plastic star handle for the display. It can fit this way everywhere around the table.

well, that's it.

It works pefect!

[member=2803]arso_bg[/member] , here's your post from a few weeks ago:
https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/...5-on-cms-vl-router-table/msg695117/#msg695117

And here's a really good post with [member=44099]Cheese[/member] 's Wixey DRO install including some 3D printed components:
https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/another-cms-micro-adjust-(-using-crown-stops)/msg682488/#msg682488

Cheers!
 
Hi squall_line
I remain with the feeling that you do not like my post very much and that there is something that is bothering you somehow ...
And here's a really good post with [member=44099]Cheese[/member] 's Wixey DRO install including some 3D printed components:

Maybe you can share with me what is it?
 
I work with non-native language speakers all the time [member=2803]arso_bg[/member] and so I can appreciate that sometimes it can be difficult to detect the tone of a written conversation but I can assure you that at least from my perspective, the comment from [member=75217]squall_line[/member] is entirely consistent with common practice on this forum. We will often point out similar threads, not to take away from the original content that is already there, or to somehow imply that it isn't good enough, but to instead give people a wider basis of information and examples of execution that may be more appropriate to their particular situations.

I love seeing how other people have done things. This thread is a great example of that. You posted something that was very similar to something I'd done. I added photos, wrote of my experiences, and added them to yours. We had a conversation and we all ended up with a thread that has some great information including two solutions to managing sag on the table.

That's what's great about this forum. We often build on each other's experiences and knowledge.
 
Hi Martin,

As a FOG member since 2008 I know how it works. The community here helped me a lot with my hobby and I found a great deal of useful posts here. This is also the reason why I post here - I hope that someone may find my posts useful and they could probably help someone... so I absolutely don't mind pointing to other threads with similar content... and I am not afraid that they will “take away” the attention from my post.

My point here is not the link to another post but the text of [member=75217]squall_line[/member] leading to the link which sounds to me a little bit strange … somehow evaluating which post is good and which is not that good…but maybe you are right and I do not understand it well …. at the end English as my fourth language is not supposed to be very good...
 
[member=2803]arso_bg[/member] , I was merely attempting to point you back in the direction of your original post, since you mentioned that you were no longer able to find it.

My qualification of Cheese's post as "very good" was not meant to draw comparison to yours, just simply pointing out that it's another post that is also detailed and explanatory.

If that caused offense, I apologize; it was certainly not my intent.
 
No need to apologize [member=75217]squall_line[/member]. Thank you for bringing all the links here and for being part of the discussion. My question to you was if there is something that is bothering you with my installation ... actually, this is a question that I am asking myself too.

It is a little bit weird. The DRO is now partially fixed to the router lift and partially to the router base. In fact, it fits perfectly in the place of the locator pin.

But if it happens that I want to use the router outside of the CMS I will have to dismantle the DRO.  On the other hand, if the router is not on the CMS  I will not need the DRO there.  :)

I am sure it won't hurt the router plate much if I drill another 4 mm hole but it has to be in the right place and done properly. I will keep it like this for the time being... and the time will show if it is convenient enough...
 
First successful crosscuts and rip cuts with the CMS TS 75 module.
Hi everybody
Today I installed my new TS 75 (recently repaired by Festool - see my other thread here:https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/...with-my-new-festool-ts-75-any-help-is-welcome!/) and made the first successful cross cuts - perfect 90/90 and some rip cuts...I think also successful..
There are some slight saw marks when I make rip cuts. I hope you can see this in the pictures but at least the dimensions are quite OK. This is with the original  sawblade.
I hope in the future I will find a way to improve these results and incorporate the CMS TS75 module in my small workshop.
Here are also some pictures of my setup for cross cuts and rip cuts…
 

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Hi everybody,

it took some time since my last post ... but here is my first "real task" with the new TS 75 module:
To rip and crosscut a sheet of plywood and to prepare the parts for 10 drawers. I took the time and worked very carefully. The setup was like the one from the previous post. In my opinion, the results are perfect ...
I am happy with the performance of the TS 75 module. It's a great addition to my small workshop.
Now I have to add only the drawer fronts...
I also added two sustainers to my MFT workstation...
 

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Hi everybody!

well... my 10 drawers are finally ready…
It's amazing how much stuff I was able to put inside !!!

I will definitely  plan to do some more drawers ....

happy woodworking ... :)
 

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