(Yet another) Domino 500 jig...design input/question

Since the topic was active and you woke my interest for this jig again. :o I have something like this in mind, but made mainly in wood + a miniature low profile linear rail. Domino sits on a seperate wedge lift platform controlled with a screw and lockable in height. The wedge part the Domino is attached to doesn't move lengthwise, only the other wedge does. The lowest position for the platform would be well below the jig surface so even the thinnest pieces of would could be cut.

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They make a manual version too that might be more reasonably priced but as you mentioned its not necessary to always have them "perfectly" centered.  It really depends on what you are making.  Im one of the few that generally likes to make my dominos/dowels "perfectly" centered to within a couple thousands.  However,  when doing lots of parts and minimizing having a large assortment of similar sized parts with specific up/down/left/right and/or matching the end boring pattern of the face drilled parts that come off the CNC Its just better faster in the long run to have everything centered.  For non production type work it seems like a bit of overkill/complication but cool none the less. If going to that level then I would also be looking at going to pneumatic clamping too.  The ability to clamp/release multiple clamps all at once with the flick of a lever is awesome.  I know when I was building my doweling station I thought about something similar to adjust height since I was referencing off the bottom but have now decided to go completely in a different direction.

Do you know how much that item is you posted? 
 

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Don't know the price for the one I posted, just grabbed a random picture to Illustrated my idea.

There are also lab jacks/scissor lifts in quite robust deisigns like attached pic. These are not very expensive but I have no idea how stable or accurate they are.

You could also go for a traditional linear rail slider, standing up, and put the domino on an upside down u-bracket from the left side, and lock the U-shape on both sides when the height is dialed in. 

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Do you have a link to buy that scissor one?  Interested to find out how much it is.  Might get one just to play with. 
 
Search for lab jacks or manual lift on Aliexpress. Think this was about 100$. Not very cheap.
 
Hi -

Here's ours - coming in a few weeks.

Price will be $300 USD or less. Table construction is Melamine clad Baltic Birch. Designed for the DF 500, and height selectable in precise fixed increments using aluminum shims. Variable angle square will be an option - 45/90 is standard.

Be glad to post more when ready for prime time....

Cheers -

Rob
 

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smorgasbord said:
Looks like Woodpeckers has ripped off some of the ideas behind this jig, at the typical high Woodpeckers' pricing.
https://www.woodpeck.com/mortisematch.html
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I don't know how it works in the adoption and commercialization of ideas (which can't be copyrighted, I believe), but will people get discouraged from sharing their one-of-a-kind shop ideas (in this Forum or any public media) if they think commercial entities will use theirs without acknowledging their contributions? 
 
Rob Lee said:
We have a modified version in pre-production right now - and ARE paying Ola royalties.  Will post info later today....

Cheers -

Rob
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FWIW, I am really glad Ola is getting some attention on this.  Thank you for that.  His design was/is very cool.
 
I am happy that Lee Valley is sharing royalty with Ola, that is how it should be.  Every time I see Lee Valley's name or buy one of their tools it will make me happy.  Every time I see WoodPeckers' name or the tools that I have purchased from them I will second guess my purchase.

Thank you Lee Valley, Thank you Ola.
 
Let's not jump gun. I don't think the people in Strongsville are the type to just "rip-off" someone's ideas. Remember, they are on the receiving end of that stick all too often. They know how it feels. We just don't have enough information to make a well-founded judgement on that. Do we?  [scratch chin]

On the other hand: great big kudos to Lee Valley and Ola! It is great to see good ideas being picked up in a way that benefits everyone.  [thumbs up]
 
Two wrongs d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y  don't make a right.

Until we're proven wrong, we all know what we're seeing. We welcome any representative from Woodpeckers to join the discussion, don't we?
 
Hello everyone, well what a drama...

I'm not as upset as many others are, based on the comments on woodpeckers youtube. Guess a feeling of pride dampens my negative reaction. I wrote a mail (still unanswered) to woodpecker yesterday saying they should have acknowledged me but that's about it. It's not about money for me, it's about claiming to have invented something that was invented by someone else. My level of reaction would have been pretty much identical if a random youtuber with 500 subs was claiming my idea. It's quite obvious woodpecker have seen my movies about the domino table. The overall idea and jig layout/design, the workflow with flipping the fence and the motivation to why this table is a big improvement for small parts is identical. The integrated fence flipper which I invented  "live" here on fog (see link below) a few days after the first movie was released is more or less a straight copy.

I have a feeling that woodpecker would have handled this different if I was one of the "big youtubers". Just a feeling though.

All credit to Veritas who have treated me very well.
https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/domino-jig-for-smaller-parts/
 
Thanks for shedding a light on this Ola. Sadly, it confirms the suspicions some already had.

I have to admit I am a bit disappointed in Woodpeckers after reading this (well, more than a bit to be honest). As I wrote, they know how it feels if another just takes your idea and the effort it took to turn it into a usable tool. Therefore I wouldn't have expected them to treat you like this. Let's see if one of their representatives joins in and what they have to say about all this.

Hopefully this little storm will make them acknowledge you on their product page. Credit where credit's due.

And let me take this opportunity to thank you for being so generous to share some of your wonderful ideas with the rest of us.
 
Ugh.  Well, at least no one has to feel guilt about buying the Chinese Woodpecker knock offs anymore
 
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