zero clearance wall panels using domino's ?

[nydesign]

Hi All,

I have a wall panel project I'm working on. The wall will be covered in 3/4" rift oak ply with veneer core.
There are three solid core doors set on pivot hinges in the wall, they will also be covered with panels and made to look like part of the wall.
The wall has two corners that will be seen, the panels sides are visible, no hidden corners.

I ordered some z-clips to attach the panels, but using the clips the panels would protrude 1/4" from the wall,
and then there is the problem of hiding that gap along the sides, and also dealing with the panels on the doors.

I've been using the Domino for about a month and had the idea of embedding dominos in the drywall, it's 5/8",
and gluing the panels to the wall on the dominos. I have no idea if the dominos will hold in the drywall. I was thinking of
using a larger size and sending it all the way through using some construction adhesive like PL200 to hold the dominos in the wall.
The panels won't be full sheets of plywood, they will be about 22" wide and different lengths run horizontally, so the weight should
not be too much of an issue, I hope. Also getting the panels to sit flat could be an issue, if there is a bow in the panel I'd have to
come up with some way to flatten the panel while the glue dries.

I'm going to try a test, tomorrow I'll see if it's possible to get a domino to sit solidly in the drywall.
Any thought's or ideas on this?

Thanks,

- Jon

 

[Ken Nagrod]

I wouldn't attempt to put dominos in the drywall or even use the Domino machine to mortise the drywall.  Gypsum is not something I'd want to run the possibility of caking up in the workings of the Domino.  I don't know that you'd even get a good fitting mortise out of the paper and gypsum to install a domino.  The adhesive sounds like a good idea, though.

[welcome]

 

[Theshipstore]

I have to agree with Ken at this point, Domino's in drywall don't seem to be very viable.  I would just PL Premium the panel to the dry wall and go from there.
The way I read what you are doing it a flat panel install on a drywall surface...

Sal

 

[nydesign]

Thanks for the welcome

Yes it's flat panels on top of drywall. I had thought about gypsum messing up the domino insides as well.
I thought of using a drill bit to match the domonio size to make the holes. It might be more trouble than it's worth.
I guess if it was planned, the drywall should have been plywood

 

[Alan m]

[welcome] to the fog.
i wouldnt use the domino machine on the drywall. could you use a french cleat system to hang the panels

 

[Kevin Stricker]

You are assuming that the drywall is a flat surface, something that could cause a lot of problems.  I originally thought you were talking about a continous wall of veneer, but the 22" wide statement seems to contradict with that.  I would consider cutting out horizontal strips of drywall and replacing them with furring strips.  Ideally they would be proud of the drywall surface slightly to account for the humps at the drywall seams.  You could then domino the panels to those strips, but you still have the problem of clamping the panels to the wall until your adhesive dries.  For that reason I would install the panels with a 18ga brad nailer and construction adhesive and skip on the dominos.

 

[Holzhacker]

Also can't recommend the Domino into drywall. Even 5/8" is too susceptible to wearing out. 1 or 2 on/off procedures for fitting and the dominoes could be very loose. I don't like non-mechanical attachment. Always makes me scared clients' attorney will call saying something fell off and killed the dog or kid.
I've used the cleat method many times works very well. If that's too much work and depending on variables you could try corner brackets. I've done jobs attaching a corner bracket into the wall; leg of bracket slides into the back of the panel; panel hangs on brackets; 2-3 at the top and bottom; insert screws into the holes to secure. Since the screws are at the top and bottom, no one can reasonably seem them.
I don't like non-removable panels, bugs me. I used looked at a job where this is a major problem. Guy installed 8' leather covered doors that open up and then push back into wall pockets to be out of the way. Side and face panels all permanently nailed on. Last installer used crappy hardware, hardware is now failing, no way to get to the mechanisms without tearing walls apart. Client is pissed.

 

[jmbfestool]

I have thought about it a few times using my Domino to support some 5 inch deep shelves in the middle to prevent sagging when I was making a unit and leaving the back of so you can see the wall still  but I decided against it and put a back on the unit which pretty much matched the same colour as the wall. 

I think it will work or at least help  if you glue the dominos in which is wa I was going to do like u mentioned and with dust extraction I dont think it will harm your domino but der are other things out der which you can do instead. 

If come to do a job which might require this method I will use my domino not as a main support but as an extra support.

JMB

 

[Ken Nagrod]

JMB,

Let's see you cut a perfect domino mortise in gypsum like you can in wood. Make sure you do a video so I can laugh.

 

[jmbfestool]

JMB,

Let's see you cut a perfect domino mortise in gypsum like you can in wood. Make sure you do a video so I can laugh.

Dude it dont have to b perfect though does it?  Cus as long as you stick expanding glue in it then once its gone of it will hold.  Like I said I wouldnt use it as a main support but in my situation I had some shelves no more than 5 inch deep  they where only 18mm thick   and the span from end panel to end panel  was 1 metre!   So the shelves where fixed on the sides but as you know they would sag  so something like 4 or 5 dominos  across its length I would of thought it would of supported the middle.    I thought about it but I ended up not using that method but I do believe it would be sufficient with some PU glue just I thought about the mess when the glue expands and changed my mind.

I will happily do a test  when I have time bit busy at the moment!  but ill do it so I can laugh at you that it worked!

JMB

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Hold to what?  It's gypsum - compressed powder basically. You can crumble it in your hand. You may get an adhesive to stick to the domino and a little amount of the paper and gypsum, but it won't last very long and your joint area will crumble and fail. Don't take my word for it. Please, try it yourself.

 

[jmbfestool]

Hold to what?  It's gypsum - compressed powder basically. You can crumble it in your hand. You may get an adhesive to stick to the domino and a little amount of the paper and gypsum, but it won't last very long and your joint area will crumble and fail. Don't take my word for it. Please, try it yourself.

So what about big tail screws  they just hold onto the plaster for small light shelves or mirrors or even battons  picture frames  whats the diffs?

I will try it myself!  not saying I will ever use it on a job but its something ill keep in mind as an option.

JMB

 

[mastercabman]

Hold to what?  It's gypsum - compressed powder basically. You can crumble it in your hand. You may get an adhesive to stick to the domino and a little amount of the paper and gypsum, but it won't last very long and your joint area will crumble and fail. Don't take my word for it. Please, try it yourself.

YEP!  Glue is not going to stick to gypsum!!

 

[nydesign]

[welcome] to the fog.
i wouldnt use the domino machine on the drywall. could you use a french cleat system to hang the panels

Hi thanks,

After thinking about it today at the job I'm going to use the metal cleats I bought, monarch metals, they call their cleats "Z clips"
As mentioned if a panel gets damaged at least you can remove it without ripping out the drywall
To get the panel as flat to the wall as possible I'll rout out 1/4" deep space's in the back of the panel's to hide the cleats.

I do want to use the domino's to attach the panels on the solid core doors. With the doors opening and closing I think
having a solid connection between the door and panels is a good idea.

- Jon

 

[Alan m]

remember the forum rules.
no pics or it didnt happen

 

[nydesign]

ha, ok! I will post some pics in the projects section,
once it gets started...right now it's just drawings.