18 Volt non Festool or the 15.4 Volt Festool

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I need a new work horse cordless drill. I have a C12 which I work harder but it is not a 18V hammer drill. What or which should I do.
 
joinery45 said:
..... but it is not a 18V hammer drill.
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There is nothing in the Festool line that can compete or even come close to an 18 v hammer drill. So you need to ask yourself, do I need the power of an 18 v hammer drill and the hammer function? If that's a yes, then another Festool drill is not the right choice for you.

Personally, I'm very happy with my T15 and can do 98% of the jobs I need to do with it, and I don't spare it. Only with hard masonry or lots of metal drilling do I need to take out the corded 220 v hammer drill.
 
If you're after an 18V cordless hammer drill, I'd recommend the Protool one. Designed for construction work, has a 4 speed gearbox, and centrotec system. A very powerful drill.
 
I to recently had this dilemma i use my t15 everyday but missed the hammer function so shopped around and bought a hilti 14.v combi set with an impact driver as well now I'm sad to admit but my t15 has had a holiday since these arrived very reasonably priced great quality and with 2 year guarantee  [embarassed]
 
I have the 18 and the 14 volt HIlti Hammer drills,
Great Drills.

,,,,,,,and because you have the 18 volt system.
You could get this,,,,,,,,

http://www.us.hilti.com/holus/page/module/product/prca_productdetail.jsf?lang=en&nodeId=-318042&selProdOid=891945

The picture above does not show the battery which slides in below.
They are great work-lights, without any black dot in the middle of the beam.
And the light spins around, (hmmm,,,,,, imagine your head is the light = looking at your toes and then spins up and back at the person behind you.)
They remind me of miniature theater lights.
On a full charge they get aprox. 16 hours of working time.
They cost about $49 through my rep at HD.
I have four.

btw,
they are due to come out shortly with an 18 volt cordless grinder, as well as some other new tools.
They already have out an 18 volt reciprocating saw and an auto drywall driver.

 
I have the 14v impact driver, the 22v combo drill, 22v sds drill and the 22v circular saw... [smile]  I have no use for a grinder, I'm just waiting for a 22v jigsaw...

John........
 
Just something to think about with the battery powered tools (again), if you're comparing different drills or saws or whatever, that will obviously give you real-world results, but if you're just comparing specs of one brand to another, the voltages are not always what they seem which affects torque.  The amp hour of the battery affects run time.  For example, some people are talking about the 18 volt Hilti drill that's really over 21 volts.  Maybe it's a weak motor or battery cells and they needed that little extra to compete or maybe they added the extra cells to get more power than other brand's 18 volt drills and marketing is sort of hiding the fact that it's a higher voltage calling it an 18 volt tool.   You take those specs and compare it to another company's 18 volt drill and all of a sudden, you don't realize it's like comparing apples to oranges.

Manufacturers also stretch the limits and sometimes the truth on performance specs.  I feel it's always best to put little value in specs and more in how the tool feels, looks and performs in your hands.  I think the only way you the user will truly be happy is if you take everyone's opinions and marketing hype with a grain of salt and test the product for yourself. -- Is it right for you?
 
In the Uk they are advertised and  sold as 22 volt.. in the usa they are sold as 18 volt ?????

John..
 
Don't you love marketing?  I first got wind of this when Bosch admitted to me over the phone that their 10.8 volt tools were being rebranded 12 volts to compete with the new lines from other manufacturers.
 
Ken

Wise words. Smoke and mirrors.......

Milwaukee 18v, nice machines, actually 20v?!

Regards

Warren
 
Roger Savatteri said:
I have the 18 and the 14 volt HIlti Hammer drills,
Great Drills.

,,,,,,,and because you have the 18 volt system.
You could get this,,,,,,,,

http://www.us.hilti.com/holus/page/module/product/prca_productdetail.jsf?lang=en&nodeId=-318042&selProdOid=891945

The picture above does not show the battery which slides in below.
They are great work-lights, without any black dot in the middle of the beam.
And the light spins around, (hmmm,,,,,, imagine your head is the light = looking at your toes and then spins up and back at the person behind you.)
They remind me of miniature theater lights.
On a full charge they get aprox. 16 hours of working time.
They cost about $49 through my rep at HD.
I have four.

btw,
they are due to come out shortly with an 18 volt cordless grinder, as well as some other new tools.
They already have out an 18 volt reciprocating saw and an auto drywall driver.
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I keep kicking myself about the reciprocating saw,could have had it in a combo for $100 more.
 
Ken Nagrod said:
Just something to think about with the battery powered tools (again), if you're comparing different drills or saws or whatever, that will obviously give you real-world results, but if you're just comparing specs of one brand to another, the voltages are not always what they seem which affects torque.  The amp hour of the battery affects run time.  For example, some people are talking about the 18 volt Hilti drill that's really over 21 volts.  Maybe it's a weak motor or battery cells and they needed that little extra to compete or maybe they added the extra cells to get more power than other brand's 18 volt drills and marketing is sort of hiding the fact that it's a higher voltage calling it an 18 volt tool.   You take those specs and compare it to another company's 18 volt drill and all of a sudden, you don't realize it's like comparing apples to oranges.

Manufacturers also stretch the limits and sometimes the truth on performance specs.  I feel it's always best to put little value in specs and more in how the tool feels, looks and performs in your hands.  I think the only way you the user will truly be happy is if you take everyone's opinions and marketing hype with a grain of salt and test the product for yourself. -- Is it right for you?
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I agree 100% but the proof is definitely in the pudding and Hilti backs up their products.
 
Ken Nagrod said:
Don't you love marketing?  I first got wind of this when Bosch admitted to me over the phone that their 10.8 volt tools were being rebranded 12 volts to compete with the new lines from other manufacturers.
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Bosch was the first to introduce the 10.8V li-ion tools, when milwaukee introduce theirs they labeled them 12V (allthough they were exactly the same voltage) and people were getting the milwaukee pocket driver, because it was supposed to be higher voltage and the same size. It was after this that bosch rebranded the tools to "12v max" And stated on their websites that they were the same tools as the ones previously sold as 10.8V (and some story about the logic of the other brands that the batteries when fully charged briefly reach a voltage of 12V)

This post is a bit nitpicking, but the people at bosch weren't keeping this a secret to the consumer, the competition started the misleading labeling and having them "admitting" it sounds like they started the "misleading"
 
Frank-Jan said:
Ken Nagrod said:
Don't you love marketing?  I first got wind of this when Bosch admitted to me over the phone that their 10.8 volt tools were being rebranded 12 volts to compete with the new lines from other manufacturers.
Click to expand...

Bosch was the first to introduce the 10.8V li-ion tools, when milwaukee introduce theirs they labeled them 12V (allthough they were exactly the same voltage) and people were getting the milwaukee pocket driver, because it was supposed to be higher voltage and the same size. It was after this that bosch rebranded the tools to "12v max" And stated on their websites that they were the same tools as the ones previously sold as 10.8V (and some story about the logic of the other brands that the batteries when fully charged briefly reach a voltage of 12V)

This post is a bit nitpicking, but the people at bosch weren't keeping this a secret to the consumer, the competition started the misleading labeling and having them "admitting" it sounds like they started the "misleading"
Click to expand...

Put a spin on it however you want.  If it's deceptive advertising, it's deceptive advertising, any way you look at it.  I made no use of the word secret nor did I state they started the fiasco.  I merely gave my personal experience in finding out about it.  If you're happy with the numbers game, so be it.  I'm not.  As for Bosch's relabeling, I know that I and others that I worked with at the time thought it was truly new models at a higher voltage.  Maybe the product marketing is different or was different in your country than here.
 
Doesn't Festool do the same thing?  T12+3, T15+3.......Is the new C12 10.8 or 14.4?  It's all about Li battery tech and companies adapting their previous method of branding to a new technology.
 
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