Bosch to Compete Against Saw Stop

[jeh]

We're taking orders for the Reaxx, ships June 1st. A little competition in the marketplace is always healthy for consumers.

Your site lists the retail cost which is similar to the 4100 which sells for around $700. I take it that there will be a similar reduction from list price.

 

[AlexThePalex]

Bosch had a world wide revenue of 70 billion Euro for all divisions combined  last year and the guy with the  most stock has a 4.6 billion dollar personal fortune. I  know there is talk that out of all that revenue they actually didn't make much profit, still their lawyers would eat Saw Stop for breakfast.

Right, I should have used the word profit, not turnover. Changed it in my post.

 

[Shane Holland]

Your site lists the retail cost which is similar to the 4100 which sells for around $700. I take it that there will be a similar reduction from list price.

[member=652]JimH2[/member] this is one of those items where the manufacturer prohibits discounting. So that's the price.

 

[Cheese]

Ya I'm at a loss as to say who is the biggest sinner in this battle.

The Bosch 4100 is a $700 table saw, yet, the 4100 improved version with the addition of a finger saver costs $800 more. As much as I dislike the Gass Guy...this whole thing smacks of sucking the life blood out of your current customers. I had hoped that Bosch would have been more sensitive to their existing customers and would have actually tried to be a service to their existing customer base rather than trying to hold them hostage.
I own a Bosch 4000 saw and love it, and would have gladly upgraded to this new version, however this new marketing twist leaves a sour taste in my mouth. 

 

[Kevin D.]

Ya I'm at a loss as to say who is the biggest sinner in this battle.

The Bosch 4100 is a $700 table saw, yet, the 4100 improved version with the addition of a finger saver costs $800 more. As much as I dislike the Gass Guy...this whole thing smacks of sucking the life blood out of your current customers. I had hoped that Bosch would have been more sensitive to their existing customers and would have actually tried to be a service to their existing customer base rather than trying to hold them hostage.
I own a Bosch 4000 saw and love it, and would have gladly upgraded to this new version, however this new marketing twist leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

It may look the same at first glance. but to my surprise, there's a lot more to it than their 4100 model.  After watching this video, I see where the pricing is more justified.  Adding a brain and better fence for one are big leaps imo.

https://www.boschtools.com/us/en/boschtools-ocs/table-saws-gts1041a-09-113798-p/

 

[jimbo51]

A quick Google search indicated that the 4100 weighs 60 lbs and the Reaxx weighs 78 lbs. Would the sensing and retraction mechanisms add 18 lbs?

I would hope that the Reaxx has a heavier frame. The fact that Bosch recommends sending the saw in four service after 25 actuations suggests how much stress the firing mechanism puts on the alignment of the saw.

Obviously Bosch could have priced the Reaxx a bit lower than the Sawstop (or allowed discounting). However, they may have decided to not risk a price war which would decrease profit margins. They are likely banking on some superior design features and the dislike many have for Sawstop due to various actions that Sawstop has taken over the last several years.

 

[junk731]

Ya I'm at a loss as to say who is the biggest sinner in this battle.

The Bosch 4100 is a $700 table saw, yet, the 4100 improved version with the addition of a finger saver costs $800 more. As much as I dislike the Gass Guy...this whole thing smacks of sucking the life blood out of your current customers. I had hoped that Bosch would have been more sensitive to their existing customers and would have actually tried to be a service to their existing customer base rather than trying to hold them hostage.
I own a Bosch 4000 saw and love it, and would have gladly upgraded to this new version, however this new marketing twist leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

Someone has to pay for a superior design, a cartridge that can fire twice and not destroy blades in the process. The sawstop looks archaic in design by comparison. I sure overtime the price will soften and deals will pop up.

John

 

[Cheese]

It may look the same at first glance. but to my surprise, there's a lot more to it than their 4100 model.  After watching this video, I see where the pricing is more justified.  Adding a brain and better fence for one are big leaps imo.

[member=7466]Kevin D.[/member]
Thanks for posting, that was very informative. I'm still not completely convinced of the pricing disparity, but will probably embrace it faster than if I had not seen the video. I learned something...thanks. 

 

[jimbo51]

I see that Toolnut is listing the Bosch Reaxx as in stock. Has anyone bought one yet?

I will have to find the closest dealer to Philadelphia and take a look at one.

 

[Kev]

 

[Shane Holland]

I see that Toolnut is listing the Bosch Reaxx as in stock. Has anyone bought one yet?

Yes, we do have them in stock. I think we've just about sold out but have more on the way.

 

[danbox]

A quick Google search indicated that the 4100 weighs 60 lbs and the Reaxx weighs 78 lbs. Would the sensing and retraction mechanisms add 18 lbs?

I would hope that the Reaxx has a heavier frame. The fact that Bosch recommends sending the saw in four service after 25 actuations suggests how much stress the firing mechanism puts on the alignment of the saw.

Obviously Bosch could have priced the Reaxx a bit lower than the Sawstop (or allowed discounting). However, they may have decided to not risk a price war which would decrease profit margins. They are likely banking on some superior design features and the dislike many have for Sawstop due to various actions that Sawstop has taken over the last several years.

If you activate this 25 times or more while using it you should never be allowed to use a table saw again.

 

[danbox]

Anyone know when these will be available in the UK and what the price will be?

 

[Kevin D.]

A quick Google search indicated that the 4100 weighs 60 lbs and the Reaxx weighs 78 lbs. Would the sensing and retraction mechanisms add 18 lbs?

I would hope that the Reaxx has a heavier frame. The fact that Bosch recommends sending the saw in four service after 25 actuations suggests how much stress the firing mechanism puts on the alignment of the saw.

Obviously Bosch could have priced the Reaxx a bit lower than the Sawstop (or allowed discounting). However, they may have decided to not risk a price war which would decrease profit margins. They are likely banking on some superior design features and the dislike many have for Sawstop due to various actions that Sawstop has taken over the last several years.

Funny.  I just inadvertently saw the SawStop equivalent to the Reaxx today for the first time visiting my local Lee Valley here in Canada.  While I may be jaded from years of using a cabinet saw, just in fiddling with raising the blade, it felt flimsy, after which. I quickly moved on to other things more pressing on my visit.  Maybe that's where Bosch went and built something of their own better and where SS decided to build a POS lower end unit to get people to opt for their much more expensive other models.  That's all conjecture all around frankly and admittedly shows my general disdain for SawStop and its owner.

When it comes to a price war, SS just announced a price reduction on all their saws days ago.  When you stop and look at the Davey and Goliath in this, Bosch is the Goliath by far.  But SS is hardly a 'Davey".  They're more like a pestering and unwelcoming gnat that needs to finally be swatted away.

 

[Kev]

Funny.  I just inadvertently saw the SawStop equivalent to the Reaxx today for the first time visiting my local Lee Valley here in Canada.  While I may be jaded from years of using a cabinet saw, just in fiddling with raising the blade, it felt flimsy, after which. I quickly moved on to other things more pressing on my visit.  Maybe that's where Bosch went and built something of their own better and where SS decided to build a POS lower end unit to get people to opt for their much more expensive other models.  That's all conjecture all around frankly and admittedly shows my general disdain for SawStop and its owner.

When it comes to a price war, SS just announced a price reduction on all their saws days ago.  When you stop and look at the Davey and Goliath in this, Bosch is the Goliath by far.  But SS is hardly a 'Davey".  They're more like a pestering and unwelcoming gnat that needs to finally be swatted away.

You made me giggle and choke on the wine I was drinking [tongue]

 

[Paul G]

That's all conjecture all around frankly and admittedly shows my general disdain for SawStop and its owner.

The table saw that some folks love to hate.

 

[danbox]

What is the shelf life of the cartridge's? As someone who have never had an accident on a table saw this is still a great feature to have but if the cartridge's are never used what life span do they have before they need replacing?

 

[Matthew Lennon]

What is the shelf life of the cartridge's? As someone who have never had an accident on a table saw this is still a great feature to have but if the cartridge's are never used what life span do they have before they need replacing?

Bosch has listed these cartridges to have a 20 year shelf life.

 

[danbox]

What is the shelf life of the cartridge's? As someone who have never had an accident on a table saw this is still a great feature to have but if the cartridge's are never used what life span do they have before they need replacing?

Okay cheers, well the four cartridges should be more than enough for me then.

Bosch has listed these cartridges to have a 20 year shelf life.

 

[Sparktrician]

That's all conjecture all around frankly and admittedly shows my general disdain for SawStop and its owner.

The table saw that some folks love to hate.

I dare say that it's not the saws, which happen to be very well made; it's the owner of the company that draws fire due to his business practices.