check this out DF500 offset base

[sancho57]

$400

But hey it comes in a systainer

 

[GreenGA]

True.  So I guess that lowers the price of the actual offset base by about $65.00 huh...  [tongue]

$400

But hey it comes in a systainer

 

[grbmds]

I like the way the setup of the flip stops eliminate the need to calibrate the centre point.

Well this is actually a pretty significant oversight. It does still have to be calibrated for center, but there is nothing in the design to permit the calibration or repeatability when reinstalling the baseplate. Any error from center gets compounded (doubled) when making opposing mortises. So this is fairly critical.

Well, I assume that it's designed to fit the baseplate of the Domino and automatically line up with the plate's mark. Wouldn't that calibrate it automatically?

 

[Rick Christopherson]

I like the way the setup of the flip stops eliminate the need to calibrate the centre point.

Well this is actually a pretty significant oversight. It does still have to be calibrated for center, but there is nothing in the design to permit the calibration or repeatability when reinstalling the baseplate. Any error from center gets compounded (doubled) when making opposing mortises. So this is fairly critical.

Well, I assume that it's designed to fit the baseplate of the Domino and automatically line up with the plate's mark. Wouldn't that calibrate it automatically?

No. That makes 2 assumptions, and either one will knock out the calibration. That's why my guides have the "Centering Plates" to always reposition the baseplate exactly centered each time you remove and replace it on the joiner. This is also the same reason why Festool made the clear sight gauge adjustable.

The Domino baseplate is cast aluminum, so it shouldn't be assumed that the mounting holes are perfectly positioned and centered from machine to machine. Secondly, The screw holes through the Woodpecker baseplate need clearance for the screws. That clearance allows for repositioning errors that would affect centering from installation to reinstallation.

The centering error may be trivial by itself, but when you double that error for making mating (left/right) mortises, it no longer remains a trivial error.

 

[grbmds]

I've emailed Woodpecker's to explain. We'll see if they respond and what their response is.

 

[Birdhunter]

It's a very interesting accessory for the Domino. The main three attractions for me over the Domiplate would be the 3 additional stock thicknesses, the larger base, and using the Domino right side up. The outrigger would be useful if I were doing a number of panels that had to have exactly identical mortise spacing. I'd probably still use pencil marks even with the outrigger.

I'd bet there is a version for the 700 in the future.

 

[Jesse Cloud]

Don't laugh, but what appeals to me are to two screw holes on the top of the plate (used to connect the outrigger).  One could also screw in a custom-made jig to position the Domino on curves, etc.  -  a feature I have asked for every chance I had to give Festool some feedback.

Still, $400 is pretty darn steep.  Gotta do some thinking in the next couple of weeks - ouch, it hurts already. [big grin]

 

[tiralie]

I have never had a need to center a domino in a panel, I don't get it.
I like Woodpecker stuff, (except the red) I have several tools from them.
Tim

 

[rmwarren]

It's a very interesting accessory for the Domino. The main three attractions for me over the Domiplate would be the 3 additional stock thicknesses, the larger base, and using the Domino right side up. The outrigger would be useful if I were doing a number of panels that had to have exactly identical mortise spacing. I'd probably still use pencil marks even with the outrigger.

I'd bet there is a version for the 700 in the future.

What I don't get is why the importance of being centered exactly in the edge of 12mm/1/2" or 18mm versus 23/32" plywood?  [scratch chin]

My most common use is making butt joint cabinet boxes & since the domino is always referenced off the outside/edge of the plywood both mortises are offset the same distance. In the case of 1/2" ply what difference is there if the mortise is centered 6mm or 6.35mm from the edge? The total difference between 18mm and 23/32" is 0.25mm or 0.01", so the offset from center-line is 0.005". The plywood I get has more variation in a sheet than that.

Am I missing something? As someone said earlier on this thread, it seems like a solution in search of a problem, at least as far as the various spacers included.

I would like to have the base with one set of 3/4'" and one set of 1/2" spacers, as a direct replacement for the Domiplate so I can use the Domino right side up, but I probably wouldn't pay much more than $100 to get it. Having seen it thought I may just make one up for myself.

RMW

 

[Birdhunter]

The idea of making custom jigs pushed me over the edge. Now, I have to wait until next year?

 

[grbmds]

It's a very interesting accessory for the Domino. The main three attractions for me over the Domiplate would be the 3 additional stock thicknesses, the larger base, and using the Domino right side up. The outrigger would be useful if I were doing a number of panels that had to have exactly identical mortise spacing. I'd probably still use pencil marks even with the outrigger.

I'd bet there is a version for the 700 in the future.

What I don't get is why the importance of being centered exactly in the edge of 12mm/1/2" or 18mm versus 23/32" plywood?  [scratch chin]

My most common use is making butt joint cabinet boxes & since the domino is always referenced off the outside/edge of the plywood both mortises are offset the same distance. In the case of 1/2" ply what difference is there if the mortise is centered 6mm or 6.35mm from the edge? The total difference between 18mm and 23/32" is 0.25mm or 0.01", so the offset from center-line is 0.005". The plywood I get has more variation in a sheet than that.

Am I missing something? As someone said earlier on this thread, it seems like a solution in search of a problem, at least as far as the various spacers included.

I would like to have the base with one set of 3/4'" and one set of 1/2" spacers, as a direct replacement for the Domiplate so I can use the Domino right side up, but I probably wouldn't pay much more than $100 to get it. Having seen it thought I may just make one up for myself.

RMW

Isn't centering in the thickness of 1/2" or 3/4" plywood the whole purpose of the Domiplate? People have raved about that also. I wasn't thinking of it for that purpose as I would agree, generally no reason to actually center in the thickness of the plywood except for "perfection" (if that is part of your satisfaction from woodworking). I felt the flexibility of the longer capacity for multiple stops was of some use, but none of it might be worht $400. Woodpecker's probably decided they'd make a product that has something for everyone, knowing that no one would use everything all the time. That way it's more marketable to the general set of users.

 

[rmwarren]

It's a very interesting accessory for the Domino. The main three attractions for me over the Domiplate would be the 3 additional stock thicknesses, the larger base, and using the Domino right side up. The outrigger would be useful if I were doing a number of panels that had to have exactly identical mortise spacing. I'd probably still use pencil marks even with the outrigger.

I'd bet there is a version for the 700 in the future.

What I don't get is why the importance of being centered exactly in the edge of 12mm/1/2" or 18mm versus 23/32" plywood?  [scratch chin]

My most common use is making butt joint cabinet boxes & since the domino is always referenced off the outside/edge of the plywood both mortises are offset the same distance. In the case of 1/2" ply what difference is there if the mortise is centered 6mm or 6.35mm from the edge? The total difference between 18mm and 23/32" is 0.25mm or 0.01", so the offset from center-line is 0.005". The plywood I get has more variation in a sheet than that.

Am I missing something? As someone said earlier on this thread, it seems like a solution in search of a problem, at least as far as the various spacers included.

I would like to have the base with one set of 3/4'" and one set of 1/2" spacers, as a direct replacement for the Domiplate so I can use the Domino right side up, but I probably wouldn't pay much more than $100 to get it. Having seen it thought I may just make one up for myself.

RMW

Isn't centering in the thickness of 1/2" or 3/4" plywood the whole purpose of the Domiplate? People have raved about that also. I wasn't thinking of it for that purpose as I would agree, generally no reason to actually center in the thickness of the plywood except for "perfection" (if that is part of your satisfaction from woodworking). I felt the flexibility of the longer capacity for multiple stops was of some use, but none of it might be worht $400. Woodpecker's probably decided they'd make a product that has something for everyone, knowing that no one would use everything all the time. That way it's more marketable to the general set of users.

The Domiplate does not actually center the mortise precisely, it is +/- 9mm to center-line of the mortise from the plate. What it does do really well is offset the mortise a precise distance from the material edge. Precise centering is not necessary as long as the reference point is the outside or edge of the plywood.

RMW 

 

[rmwarren]

On a somewhat related topic it looks like another of their questionable utility domi products was not a success:

http://www.woodpeck.com/dominodepthsleeves.html

RMW 

 

[Wooden Skye]

I posted something in another thread, but the domiplate is fine with me.  Would being able to use the domino right side up be a plus probably, but I haven't has an issue.  $400 is steep, which makes me think woodpeckers think it is a Festool accessory, let's charge a lot more than we probably should. 

 

[GPowers]

I posted something in another thread, but the domiplate is fine with me.  Would being able to use the domino right side up be a plus probably, but I haven't has an issue.  $400 is steep, which makes me think woodpeckers think it is a Festool accessory, let's charge a lot more than we probably should.

Interesting strategy, it might be true at the price seams very steep even for woodpecker.

 

[Birdhunter]

The main attraction of the Domiplate for me is not so much that it centers the mortise, but that I don't have to rely on the Domino's fence to be set correctly and to not creep. The main negative of the Domiplate for me is having to use the Domino upside down. The Woodpeckers base provides the positives and eliminates the negative of the Domiplate.

I'll continue to use and advise others to use the Domiplate and the Domi-Shim, but I'll have have an additional asset in the toolbox.

 

[ear3]

Maybe when somebody takes the plunge and gets the Woodpecker accessory, they could post a review?

 

[Stoli]

Maybe when somebody takes the plunge and gets the Woodpecker accessory, they could post a review?

But this is a "One Time Tool".  You have to order in some short timeline, wait for them to be fabbed, then delivered.  Only then could they be reviewed, and you would have completely missed the ordering period.  Please, no discussion of the merits of this buisness plan.

 

[erock]

WOW !  $400 for the set  [eek]

  I have and use the Seneca Domiplate.  I would keep it on all the time if it would fit in the systainer while attached to the domino.

I'm not sure how big Seneca is and what kind of production tools they have, but they sell the Domiplate for $65 and it's made out of aircraft aluminum.

You see all the CNC machines at Woodpecker at the end of all the videos.  So I'm guessing they can produce more.  I'm not a marketing guy, so I'm wondering what/who they came up with the big price tag.

I for one would not want 54"  of stuff hanging off one side of the domino.  Makes no sense to me.  Also seems like a P.I.T.A to have all that hanging off the side.  It can't be easy to reach out 54" for most guys, so you would have to turn the domino off, set the domino down just to flip the stop up or down. 

I'm surprised no one has freaked out over the fact they the guy in the video is using the domino without dust collection….. [tongue]

I have a lot of Woodpecker items, but this is nothing special to me.    I'll stick with the tried and true Festool cross stops and
Domiplate. 

Think about it….$925 for a new domino 500 set, PLUS $400 for the Woodpecker set up?  Adds up to the price of a domino XL !

Eric

 

[jacko9]

I got the email from Woodpeckers and tried to decide how I would use this set in my work?  I'm not sure that it would replace my carefully placed pencil lines for $400 [eek]  I like the fact that another tool manufacturer is making add on products for the Festool Domino [big grin]

Jack