check this out DF500 offset base

[sancho57]

Do we need all the tools we buy? I have a Woodpecker's Story Stick also. I could have made a story stick and actually did make some on  the fly sticks that I used instead of measuring. However, in the short time I owned the WP Story Stick I've used it 5 times and each time it saved me some time and, without actually measuring, got much greater accuracy and a better fit that I would have without it. So, I don't need that tool, but I wouldn't be without it now that I have it. While I agree the WP Offset Base is pricey and may be to pricey to consider it no matter what, but I don't believe that it means it's not of any use. I bought the Domino with the Trim Stop and Cross Stops (hope I have the names right), but have never used either. That was a waste of money. I bought the SCG and found it to be extremely useful and worth the money for me. Others wouldn't. Many seem to think the Domiplate is the best accessory for the Domino. I'm not sure why since I don't really feel the need to place mortises exactly in the center of a 3/4" piece of plywood; in fact, find that having them off-center a little is actually a help. However, for those that need that capability, I'm sure it's an amazing tool. So, each to his own. Buy the tools that work for you, but that doesn't mean this particular tool is of no use; over priced maybe but, of no use, hardly.

My mentor Mr P (RIP) told me many years ago...." Ron Its all personal preference" Its been about 18 years since he told me that. Ive never forgot it

 

[ajones]

I have used a shop made multiple stop that is clamped to the work piece that allows you to place the machine exactly.

they are quick to make and can be as long as you need. with no extra unwieldy weight on the machine seems to make more sense

 

[promark747]

Many seem to think the Domiplate is the best accessory for the Domino. I'm not sure why since I don't really feel the need to place mortises exactly in the center of a 3/4" piece of plywood; in fact, find that having them off-center a little is actually a help.

That's not really the purpose of the Domiplate.  It was created to avoid any issues of fence drift on the DF500...its design works with 3/4" and 1/2" material as those are the most common thicknesses people use.

 

[Stoli]

I have used a shop made multiple stop that is clamped to the work piece that allows you to place the machine exactly.

they are quick to make and can be as long as you need. with no extra unwieldy weight on the machine seems to make more sense

Pics?

 

[grbmds]

Many seem to think the Domiplate is the best accessory for the Domino. I'm not sure why since I don't really feel the need to place mortises exactly in the center of a 3/4" piece of plywood; in fact, find that having them off-center a little is actually a help.

That's not really the purpose of the Domiplate.  It was created to avoid any issues of fence drift on the DF500...its design works with 3/4" and 1/2" material as those are the most common thicknesses people use.

Regardless, it was my point. I have not experienced any "drift" when usiing the Domino nor do I feel the need to center the mortises, so I wouldn't feel the need to buy the Domiplate. Same with other accessories, including the one Woodpecker's is currently offering. Is it's price too high? Probably. Will it serve a wide range of purposes? Maybe. The bigger question is will it server my purpose or yours? I don't know, but it's hardly a tool without value. I wish I had the money back I have spent over the years on something that looked like it would be useful and turned out not to be. I appreciate the fact that the FOG posters provide so much information that, at least in some cases, I don't have to spend money to know if the tool will work for me. In the case of the Domiplate, you and others have provided enough information for me to know that buying one would be a waste of money for me. Thanks.

 

[riderguy57]

It appears as if Woodpecker's website for the offset base is now offering an extra outrigger for $139.99, for those that expressed an interest in that.

Scott

 

[elfick]

I'm more interested in the outrigger than the base. With a little work I could see that being a systainer-storable parallel guide set.

FYI, all of the components will fit in a Systainer.

I noticed the pic of them in the systainer, which is what brought it to mind... What I meant was a parallel guide set for the rails. Depending on how quickly they could be assembled, a pair of outriggers in a systainer with the hardware to connect to the guide rails and a method for doing narrow cuts could be pretty sweet.

 

[rmh]

I posted something in another thread, but the domiplate is fine with me.  Would being able to use the domino right side up be a plus probably, but I haven't has an issue.  $400 is steep, which makes me think woodpeckers think it is a Festool accessory, let's charge a lot more than we probably should.

At times during testing I felt it could be awkward with all the extensions assembled. However it was still quite manageable. I think the majority of the time I'd only have one or two extensions assembled anyway. Another person suggested having a separate set of outriggers for the opposite side to eliminate the need to flip it from one side to the other. We're hoping to have that cost figured out today.

Rich from Woodpeckers.

Hi Rich,

I know this is blasphemy on this forum, but could you make (i.e., sell) the kits without the Systainer. Not everyone uses them to store their Festool stuff. Mine sits quite happily in my workbench drawers.

Thanks, Dick

Dick,

Sure. Systainers, even by the pallet load, are quite expensive. I'll figure out a price without it and add it to the web page for those interested. On a side note, we're real close to confirming compatibility with the XL700. It literally showed up at my door while I'm typing this. Should know by tomorrow. The only item needed is a 5mm spacer. However a few folks asked about dealing with thicker material so we machined a separate set of spacers for heavier stock. Those will get added if the tests go OK. And finally, regarding the cost of this thing, I can assure you that no ones getting rich on this or any other tool we make. If we could spread development cost over 10,000 units, the story would be quite different. But this is reality when dealing in micro-markets.

Rich

 

[grbmds]

From RMH @ Woodpeckers -

"And finally, regarding the cost of this thing, I can assure you that no ones getting rich on this or any other tool we make. If we could spread development cost over 10,000 units, the story would be quite different. But this is reality when dealing in micro-markets."

While I can't speak for others, I understand the pricing of a small of tools, regardless of what the tool is. My comments about price really reflect thoughts concerning whether I would get the kind of use out of a tool with that price versus spending the money on something else that could be more useful. I have other Woodpecker tools but find that I am more selective than I used to be and only buy those items which have significant value to me as a woodworker for what I do.

 

[Wooden Skye]

From RMH @ Woodpeckers -

"And finally, regarding the cost of this thing, I can assure you that no ones getting rich on this or any other tool we make. If we could spread development cost over 10,000 units, the story would be quite different. But this is reality when dealing in micro-markets."

While I can't speak for others, I understand the pricing of a small of tools, regardless of what the tool is. My comments about price really reflect thoughts concerning whether I would get the kind of use out of a tool with that price versus spending the money on something else that could be more useful. I have other Woodpecker tools but find that I am more selective than I used to be and only buy those items which have significant value to me as a woodworker for what I do.

Richard

I understand spreading the development and production costs over a larger production run, and how it would most likely reduce the price.  I am not going to go very deep into the one time tool business model debate, but in the case of some of your products designed to use with Festool or other products, the One time tool model led to my original statement.  I have a couple of your products and have always liked and relied on them, but sometimes it is just cost prohibitive based on your model.  Now I will also say that if you did do a run of 50,000, you have a whole other set of costs which then need to be factored in.  So I get why you have your business model, considering tool accessories aren't something the general public has a high demand for. 

In the end, my opinion and others, might just boil down to the large price difference between 2 similar products.  It is hard to justify a $335 cost difference between the domiplate and the new woodpeckers base especially if a lot of a persons projects only use 1/2" or 3/4" material.  Did you make it different than a product already on the market?  Yes the ability to use with different material thickness is a upgrade and a plus, and can be viewed as a limitation for the domiplate.

I wish you nothing but the best with this new product.

Respectfully
Bryan

 

[GreenGA]

If not already asked, if one orders the extra outrigger, does it come in the same, separate, N/A, Systainer with a foam insert?

 

[neeleman]

Only 2 baseplate versions are available in systainers.
Unfortunately outriggers are not sold in a systainer but as a lose package.

 

[GreenGA]

That's kinda what I thought.  That said, with the optional outrigger everything could fit in Sys2 with a foam insert to hold the outrigger.  I know, overkill, but...  [unsure]

Only 2 baseplate versions are available in systainers.
Unfortunately outriggers are not sold in a systainer but as a lose package.

 

[semenza]

Thoughts and questions......................

        As far as the error from center goes....... am I right in thinking that it will not stack? Because the entire unit as a one piece with one actual reference would be off as opposed to referencing each mortise separately.  Say it was off center by 1mm. The whole unit and all the flip stops would be off by 1mm (the same 1mm). As opposed to the 1mm being compounded by each mortise referencing from the last. If that is the case then using the medium width setting would probably take care of it.

      I see this mostly being useful for doing a batch  of larger pieces, such as cabinet boxes, that are all the same size. No need to mark and no need to clamp a jig in place.

      In use to do a piece 30" wide  and the mating 30" wide piece (without need to reset the unit) I  am thinking that it would require 30" of extension / guide bar to each side of the Domino? At least that is what I envision from looking at the pictures.

Seth

 

[Stoli]

        As far as the error from center goes....... am I right in thinking that it will not stack? Because the entire unit as a one piece with one actual reference would be off as opposed to referencing each mortise separately.  Say it was off center by 1mm. The whole unit and all the flip stops would be off by 1mm (the same 1mm). As opposed to the 1mm being compounded by each mortise referencing from the last. If that is the case then using the medium width setting would probably take care of it.

I think where the error would creep in is that the mortices would all be off by 2mm relative to each other for a 1mm centration error.  This comes from referencing off different sides. 

I do believe that the cumulative error would cancel out if used as the videos suggested and had the stops flipped from one side to the other.  There would still be the possibility of a cumulative error if you put stops on both sides if the rules were not equal.

 

[semenza]

        As far as the error from center goes....... am I right in thinking that it will not stack? Because the entire unit as a one piece with one actual reference would be off as opposed to referencing each mortise separately.  Say it was off center by 1mm. The whole unit and all the flip stops would be off by 1mm (the same 1mm). As opposed to the 1mm being compounded by each mortise referencing from the last. If that is the case then using the medium width setting would probably take care of it.

I think where the error would creep in is that the mortices would all be off by 2mm relative to each other for a 1mm centration error.  This comes from referencing off different sides. 

I do believe that the cumulative error would cancel out if used as the videos suggested and had the stops flipped from one side to the other.  There would still be the possibility of a cumulative error if you put stops on both sides if the rules were not equal.

  Hmmmm, obviously it would be better if it was adjustable. However I think an error from center could be dealt  with by shifting the flip stops to compensate.

Seth

 

[Kodi Crescent]

RMH,

I see that some new items have been added to the listing.  Will you please explain what the parts are for the table apron and how they're used.

 

[crsowa]

I want one and I don't even have a domino.......yet.  It's all shiny. Although I would use it rarely, as stated above by others...I would probably get one, just to have it when the chance comes up when I need it.

 

[blakjak220]

While this is probably one of those OTT that I won't buy, I have to say I'm impressed with the responsiveness of the guys at WP in listening to the criticism here and adding some other ordering options and different accessories mid-way through the ordering window. Even something as simple as offering the set without the systainer probably dropped the price enough to grab some more customers. $179 is getting into the realm of reasonable, at least for me.

 

[rmwarren]

I agree with blakjak220, Richard's responsiveness is impressive and their ability to adapt on the fly is awesome.

@ $179 it has me re-thinking buying, especially with the additional spacers that are now available, although they drive up the cost by $95 for all of them. Those spacers make me think I would find a lot more uses for the tool, other than on plywood.

Also, if the center-line does accurately align to the Domino with no need for adjustment it would be something easy to put on/take off without any fuss. Rick Christopherson knows a thing or two about Domino's and Rich @ Woodpecker's post seems to leave the door open to this not being the case. 

I still consider the outriggers cumbersome, especially in my small-shop situation, I don't have room to set the Domino aside with the outriggers attached while juggling sheets of plywood. I can see myself whacking the outriggers while maneuvering it around, and wonder how they will hold up over time.

Need to sleep on this one.

RMW