check this out DF500 offset base

[fshanno]

Will those screws stay tight? 

 

[amt]

I for one would not want 54"  of stuff hanging off one side of the domino.  Makes no sense to me.  Also seems like a P.I.T.A to have all that hanging off the side.  It can't be easy to reach out 54" for most guys, so you would have to turn the domino off, set the domino down just to flip the stop up or down. 

I would have thought they would try to make something that had the track mount to the material, and then the stops would flip down to hold the domino against a set distance on the material.  I expected a lot more innovation from Woodpecker.

 

[JCLP]

I love woodpecker tools and I have a small investment in their squares and triangles, but $400 to replace what I can do with the domiplate and a 2H pencil, I don't think so. As another fogger Tim mentioned, I never had to centre a domino in any thickness of wood when creating cabinet boxes, making drawer boxes or gluing up wood for table tops. Near centre is good enough. For $400, plus taxes and duties, I can purchase a lot of measuring tapes and a life time of pencils. This will be one tool I don't buy.

 

[junk731]

Just another one of those unnecessary tool accessories that's over priced just waiting for the tool collector to buy. They should stick to making squares.

John

 

[rmwarren]

I for one would not want 54"  of stuff hanging off one side of the domino.  Makes no sense to me.  Also seems like a P.I.T.A to have all that hanging off the side.  It can't be easy to reach out 54" for most guys, so you would have to turn the domino off, set the domino down just to flip the stop up or down. 

I would have thought they would try to make something that had the track mount to the material, and then the stops would flip down to hold the domino against a set distance on the material.  I expected a lot more innovation from Woodpecker.

You mean something like this?

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Note how I cleverly used Woodpeckers Super T Track...  [scratch chin]

RMW

 

[Zacharytanner]

Richard
What did you use for the stops and where can I purchase the parts? Very creative and simple. Love my domiplate

Frank

 

[rmwarren]

Richard
What did you use for the stops and where can I purchase the parts? Very creative and simple. Love my domiplate

Frank

Made them on a 3D printer, happy to share the file if I can find it.

They worked OK, fine actually, but there is a small pin sticking out of the domino that hits them so the side of the domino does not touch the white stop. I think it is the pivot pin for the fence, but I could be wrong.

RMW

Edit: this is the pin.

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[rmh]

I'm more interested in the outrigger than the base. With a little work I could see that being a systainer-storable parallel guide set.

FYI, all of the components will fit in a Systainer.

 

[rmh]

Unless someone from Woodpecker could confirm this would work for the Domizilla I am not buying it. Wouldn't mind the sleeves either if they would be available for the 700....

I think some of you know more about the 700 than I do. We're in the process of studying the 700 to make sure the system is compatible. It all it takes is 15mm spacers it shouldn't be a big deal. (FWIW, this is Rich from Woodpeckers. Not sure if that shows up in the reply string.)

 

[rmh]

Interesting item, without the cross-stops it is basically a fancy Domi-Plate with the benefit that the tool is used right-side up. With the cross-stops in the longer configuration it looks really awkward to have the long arm hanging off one end.

RMW

At times during testing I felt it could be awkward with all the extensions assembled. However it was still quite manageable. I think the majority of the time I'd only have one or two extensions assembled anyway. Another person suggested having a separate set of outriggers for the opposite side to eliminate the need to flip it from one side to the other. We're hoping to have that cost figured out today.

Rich from Woodpeckers.

 

[rmh]

I like the way the setup of the flip stops eliminate the need to calibrate the centre point.

Well this is actually a pretty significant oversight. It does still have to be calibrated for center, but there is nothing in the design to permit the calibration or repeatability when reinstalling the baseplate. Any error from center gets compounded (doubled) when making opposing mortises. So this is fairly critical.

Well, I assume that it's designed to fit the baseplate of the Domino and automatically line up with the plate's mark. Wouldn't that calibrate it automatically?

No. That makes 2 assumptions, and either one will knock out the calibration. That's why my guides have the "Centering Plates" to always reposition the baseplate exactly centered each time you remove and replace it on the joiner. This is also the same reason why Festool made the clear sight gauge adjustable.

The Domino baseplate is cast aluminum, so it shouldn't be assumed that the mounting holes are perfectly positioned and centered from machine to machine. Secondly, The screw holes through the Woodpecker baseplate need clearance for the screws. That clearance allows for repositioning errors that would affect centering from installation to reinstallation.

The centering error may be trivial by itself, but when you double that error for making mating (left/right) mortises, it no longer remains a trivial error.

There's a lot here to respond to. First, as for symmetry, we are making an assumption that when the Domino base is originally machined, all critical features are done in time. If this is the practice being used, the two mounting holes in the bottom will be centered relative to the other critical features. Our measurements indicate this is the case, however we can't guarantee every Domino is perfect.

As for screw hole clearance, it is correct that space has to be allowed for the fastener which can lead to some side positioning error. However we're using flat head screws which eliminates any possible side play because of the taper-to-taper fit. That being said, cold form screws can deviate from perfection by a little but the amount would be difficult to measure.

Once again, Rich from Woodpeckers.

 

[blakjak220]

Looks useful but @ $400 I just can't justify it. Maybe if the whole thing was half that much, but the  plate itself is more than that. I don't mind paying for good tools but y'all priced me out of this one. And this is coming from someone who has purchased several of the OTT already.

 

[GreenGA]

I think the target audience for this would improve dramatically if it would fit the 700 as well, perhaps with a simple adapter...?

Regardless, this entire discussion will become moot in about 2 1/2 weeks.

 

[Kev]

Looks to me like they built their version of an offset base and then realised afterwards they'd fouled the cross stop accessory!

"Dud Time Tool" in my books for this one!

 

[grbmds]

Looks to me like they built their version of an offset base and then realised afterwards they'd fouled the cross stop accessory!

"Dud Time Tool" in my books for this one!

Hardly a dud! It's usefulness, as well as all other jigs and accessories for the Domino depend on what you do when woodworking. With all jigs and tools (especially Festools because of the cost) buying something that won't be useful for your either to improve accuracy or efficiency of work, doesn't make sense. Does it? So, for some, this may be a great tool. I would agree it's cost makes one think very hard about buying it, but, for usefulness, I don't think I'd question it for my work.

 

[dicktill]

At times during testing I felt it could be awkward with all the extensions assembled. However it was still quite manageable. I think the majority of the time I'd only have one or two extensions assembled anyway. Another person suggested having a separate set of outriggers for the opposite side to eliminate the need to flip it from one side to the other. We're hoping to have that cost figured out today.

Rich from Woodpeckers.

Hi Rich,

I know this is blasphemy on this forum, but could you make (i.e., sell) the kits without the Systainer. Not everyone uses them to store their Festool stuff. Mine sits quite happily in my workbench drawers.

Thanks, Dick

 

[Kev]

Looks to me like they built their version of an offset base and then realised afterwards they'd fouled the cross stop accessory!

"Dud Time Tool" in my books for this one!

Hardly a dud! It's usefulness, as well as all other jigs and accessories for the Domino depend on what you do when woodworking. With all jigs and tools (especially Festools because of the cost) buying something that won't be useful for your either to improve accuracy or efficiency of work, doesn't make sense. Does it? So, for some, this may be a great tool. I would agree it's cost makes one think very hard about buying it, but, for usefulness, I don't think I'd question it for my work.

Even for those on this forum that have a penchant for buying tools because they have appeal and may be useful "one day", this one has to be wide of the mark!

I really do think this accessory is ill conceived ... from the seeming obvious blocking of the cross stop accessory to the immense load you could put on the Domino's fence inadvertently ... I really dislike it.

As much as I take issue with the "One Time" business model, I do like a few of Woodpecker's tools ... but I have to call this one as a see it. It's an opinion, others have their own.

If someone was to buy this accessory and gain a lot of benefit from it I'd be very glad for them ... it simply wouldn't be me! ... to me it's a dud and I stand by that as my honest opinion.

Further, you have to order this and hope it's good just makes it all the more risky!

 

[sancho57]

But Kev,

It comes in a systainer  [oops]

But guys, I have a woodpeckers story stick. For me that and a pencil is all I need for repeatability. But ya dont really need a woodpeckers story stick, any old story stick would do

 

[grbmds]

Do we need all the tools we buy? I have a Woodpecker's Story Stick also. I could have made a story stick and actually did make some on  the fly sticks that I used instead of measuring. However, in the short time I owned the WP Story Stick I've used it 5 times and each time it saved me some time and, without actually measuring, got much greater accuracy and a better fit that I would have without it. So, I don't need that tool, but I wouldn't be without it now that I have it. While I agree the WP Offset Base is pricey and may be to pricey to consider it no matter what, but I don't believe that it means it's not of any use. I bought the Domino with the Trim Stop and Cross Stops (hope I have the names right), but have never used either. That was a waste of money. I bought the SCG and found it to be extremely useful and worth the money for me. Others wouldn't. Many seem to think the Domiplate is the best accessory for the Domino. I'm not sure why since I don't really feel the need to place mortises exactly in the center of a 3/4" piece of plywood; in fact, find that having them off-center a little is actually a help. However, for those that need that capability, I'm sure it's an amazing tool. So, each to his own. Buy the tools that work for you, but that doesn't mean this particular tool is of no use; over priced maybe but, of no use, hardly.

 

[stvrowe]

Meh, perhaps it will work for some but to me, it looks like a solution in search of a problem to solve.  I'll pass and it has nothing to do with the cost.