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jujigatame

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I have a CMS router table that I use with my OF 1400, and I love it. I've had it for probably 5-6 years, but now I think I would like to get an OF 2200 just for some more power and bigger cuts.

I understand that the newer 2200s won't work with the CMS, but going through the manual for my CMS it doesn't say anything about the 2200.

My question is will an older 2200 fit in my CMS, and if it will, does anyone want to sell me their older 2200?
 
I don't know what you mean by "older" 2200, but my 2200 manufactured in August 2020, fits in my CMS table. It's a nice combination.
 
Cheese said:
I don't know what you mean by "older" 2200, but my 2200 manufactured in August 2020, fits in my CMS table. It's a nice combination.
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Yeah, it's pre 2021.
 
I don't think I was clear, I know that post 2021 OF 2200s won't work in any CMS, but I wasn't sure if the CMS I have, with the insert that works with the 1010 and 1400 will also fit a 2200 or if I also need a different insert along with a pre 2021 router that I know works with the CMS.

Thanks in advance for the help.
 
[member=8375]jujigatame[/member] - "Log in"? No 'logging in' needed. Just visit the UK (or German) version of EKAT and sort down through the folders until you find the manual you're looking for. I've never once been asked to login or register in order to access any EKAT version.
 
[member=8375]jujigatame[/member] - Also, I wasn't aware that there was a 'new' version of the OF2200. If that's true, assuming the changes/updates aren't substantial - again I have no idea as I type this what those changes might consist of - I would think that compatibility could be maintained. Now I'll have to research the current version of the OF2200....
 
[member=8375]jujigatame[/member] - FWIW a quick web search produces zero discussion involving updates to the OF2200. My understanding, generally, speaking, is that the OF2200 is as close to a perfect machine as exists so I'd be surprised if Festool had spent anytime considering improving upon it.
 
TinyShop said:
[member=8375]jujigatame[/member] - FWIW a quick web search produces zero discussion involving updates to the OF2200. My understanding, generally, speaking, is that the OF2200 is as close to a perfect machine as exists so I'd be surprised if Festool had spent anytime considering improving upon it.
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If you look here,https://www.festoolusa.com/products/routing/routers/576223---of-2200-eb-f-plus-us#Overview

it quite clearly states:

*OF Routers produced after 2021 are NOT compatible with the Router Table CMS and all variations.
 
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If the question is "will a current model OF2200 fit on the CMS if using the correct mounting ring?" then the answer is yes.  The switch design on the current OF2200 will not work in the locked on position and then controlled by the switch on the CMS (to turn on the router).  As far as I know all CMS sets were shipped with the complete ring package (1010, 1400, 2200) even in North America where the 2200 was not officially supported.

Peter
 
Peter Halle said:
If the question is "will a current model OF2200 fit on the CMS if using the correct mounting ring?" then the answer is yes.  The switch design on the current OF2200 will not work in the locked on position and then controlled by the switch on the CMS (to turn on the router).  As far as I know all CMS sets were shipped with the complete ring package (1010, 1400, 2200) even in North America where the 2200 was not officially supported. 

Peter
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It might be helpful to say WHY the OF 2200 was not supported in the CMS in North America.  First the stock power switch in the CMS is designed to handle up to, but not over, 15 13.5 amps.  Second, the 120 volt OF 2200 CAN draw up to 20 amps at 110 volts, making the two incompatible for safety reasons.  That said, the OF 2200 DOES work in the CMS, provided that you use a power switch rated at 20 amps.  These are available, but not from Festool.  You will still need the green adapter ring to fit the OF 2200 to the CMS.  PM me if you want workable specifics.  [smile] 

Sorry for the rating error (in red), above. 

And another thing - I mounted an aftermarket switch behind and above the CMS fence so I can hit the OFF button right now, should things go to worms.  I don't have to reach under the infeed table and fumble for the CMS' stock switch, or worse, put my ugly mug anywhere that spinning bit or flying debris, should things go to worms in a hot hurry. 
 
they always said the 2200 wouldnt work in a CMS.

All ya need is the green ring.

Try it you got a 30 day window to return the 2200 if it doesnt work
 
Ah, so Festool added the kill switch tech to the current production version of theOF2200, meaning that, in the event of a power failure, the switch resets; so,that when power is eventually restored, the machine - even if the switch is locked in the "on" position - won't fire up (and potentially hurt someone or something if the user is not ready for it).

While I was writing my previous comment it occurred to me that a kill switch might be the update that the OP was cryptically referring to but I hadn't kept up on the status of the OF2200 (or any other router) since I'm not in the market for another router.

That explains it then.

So, in practice, if one plugs the current production version of the OF2200 into the CMS's on/off switch and locks the router's switch in the on position, depressing the CMS's "on" switch will result in nothing happening. This required change to on/off switches (which was mandated by E.U. regulation) is what effectively killed current production of the CMS. Which, of course, doesn't mean that current version of the OF2200 cannot be used in the CMS OF, only that the user will have to accept that they will need to reach underneath the table to turn the router on and off - not at all a desirable situation from a life/safety point of view.

Moral of the story: anyone in N.A. wishing to add an OF2200 to their stable for installation into the CMS OF will need to source either a NOS pre-mod 2200 or purchase a pre-owned, pre-mod version of the router (as well as exploring the idea of retrofitting the CMS's stock on/off switch to handle the potential amperage that the OF2200 is capable of producing, loads which the North American version of the CMS's stock on/off switch is not rated for). Good to know.     
 
TinyShop said:
Ah, so Festool added the kill switch tech to the current production version of theOF2200, meaning that, in the event of a power failure, the switch resets; so,that when power is eventually restored, the machine - even if the switch is locked in the "on" position - won't fire up (and potentially hurt someone or something if the user is not ready for it).

While I was writing my previous comment it occurred to me that a kill switch might be the update that the OP was cryptically referring to but I hadn't kept up on the status of the OF2200 (or any other router) since I'm not in the market for another router.

That explains it then.

So, in practice, if one plugs the current production version of the OF2200 into the CMS's on/off switch and locks the router's switch in the on position, depressing the CMS's "on" switch will result in nothing happening. This required change to on/off switches (which was mandated by E.U. regulation) is what effectively killed current production of the CMS. Which, of course, doesn't mean that current version of the OF2200 cannot be used in the CMS OF, only that the user will have to accept that they will need to reach underneath the table to turn the router on and off - not at all a desirable situation from a life/safety point of view.

Moral of the story: anyone in N.A. wishing to add an OF2200 to their stable for installation into the CMS OF will need to source either a NOS pre-mod 2200 or purchase a pre-owned, pre-mod version of the router (as well as exploring the idea of retrofitting the CMS's stock on/off switch to handle the potential amperage that the OF2200 is capable of producing, loads which the North American version of the CMS's stock on/off switch is not rated for). Good to know.   
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THANK YOU!

This explains a lot.

I'll try to find a used one on the classifieds.
 
That would have been my assumption, the switch. As part of a recent safety regulation in Europe, the ability to function with a remote switch has been eliminated as a side-effect the power-restoration issue.
As stated above, it will "physically" fit within the space, but it will not "work" as expected.
The power switch has to be activated every time, sort of like the magnetic switches of bigger machines.
The power has to be active in the machine for it to activate. When the power is cut off, it obviously stops, but when the power comes back, the machine does not.
Most of the equipment that requires you to push a "momentary" switch, one that is spring-loaded, works like that.
 
jujigatame said:
I have a CMS router table that I use with my OF 1400, and I love it. I've had it for probably 5-6 years, but now I think I would like to get an OF 2200 just for some more power and bigger cuts.

I understand that the newer 2200s won't work with the CMS, but going through the manual for my CMS it doesn't say anything about the 2200.

My question is will an older 2200 fit in my CMS, and if it will, does anyone want to sell me their older 2200?
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As already spoken, the "issue" is the NVR switch in the newer routers. All of them, not just the OF 2200. This is mandated in EU since 2021 .. hence the date. *)

Mechanically, even the new ones will work mechanically "just" the switch will not turn them on (when at 230V) and one has to manually flip the swithc on the router in addition. The safety turn-off will still work, naturally so is "purely" a practical issue, not a safety one (at 230V).

The easiest way to test this if you are buying is to turn the reouter on, unplug it from the socket, switch the breaker etc. while leaving it turned on. If the tool starts after power is restored with its switch still in "on" position, it does not have an NVR switch.

EDIT:
*) As mentioned above, the "since 2021" is a general statement copy pasted ... with OF 2200 at 110V there is an additional issue of the CMS remote switch current rating.
 
Crazyraceguy said:
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Most of the equipment that requires you to push a "momentary" switch, one that is spring-loaded, works like that.
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Actually, this type of equipment does *not* have to include an NVR switch. It is mandatory only /and makes sense/ for tools which have a possibility to lock the switch in the "on" position.
 
mino said:
jujigatame said:
I have a CMS router table that I use with my OF 1400, and I love it. I've had it for probably 5-6 years, but now I think I would like to get an OF 2200 just for some more power and bigger cuts.

I understand that the newer 2200s won't work with the CMS, but going through the manual for my CMS it doesn't say anything about the 2200.

My question is will an older 2200 fit in my CMS, and if it will, does anyone want to sell me their older 2200?
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As already spoken, the "issue" is the NVR switch in the newer routers. All of them, not just the OF 2200. This is mandated in EU since 2021 .. hence the date.

Mechanically, even the new ones will work mechanically "just" the switch will not turn them on and you would have to manually turn the router on. The safety turn-off will still work, naturally so is "purely" a practical issue, not a safety one.

The easiest way to test this if you are buying is to turn the reouter on, unplug it from the socket, switch the breaker etc. while leaving it turned on. If the tool starts after power is restored with its switch still in "on" position, it does not have an NVR switch.
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Hmm, so, in theory, I would have to reach under the table to turn it on, but the CMS switch would still turn it off?

I could probably deal with that, but I'd rather just buy a used one anyway.
 
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