CMS router table fence improvements ( micro adjust using crown stop) "updated"

Hi Benjamin,

I'm actually looking to update my mod to the CMS using a lot of your ideas.  Can you please clarify the whole set up you have with the right angle attachment into the back of the CMS?  I see you have some sort of rubber sleeve over the male end of the back of the
CMS fence.  I went ahead and picked up the "Anti-Static Angle Adaptor (part 456 806)".  I just got it from Amazon and realized that it only fits the 27mm hose and not the 36mm. 

Can you please tell me how you were able to attach the 36mm hose onto this Angle Adaptor, and where I can purchase that rubber looking sleeve that goes over the male end of the CMS fence? 
 
Hi Jon,

Sorry to tell you , you need to get the new tapered hose right angle end, as it is wide enough to fit around the 36mm hose snugly.

part #499907

and the stuff around the cms fence is the non skid tape that is used on the tracks. any weather stripping could be used as well.

best of luck.
 
So sorry to bug you on this Benjamin and thanks so much for the prompt response. I just checked for that 499907 part and I can't seem to locate it in the 2014 catalog. I'm also Googling it and nothing is showing up. Is this a part I have to get directly from festool and just double checking if that's the correct part number.

Thanks so much again.
 
no that part number is the one Shane ( site moderator here ) gave me when I asked him for it.

I got my dealer to order me 2 of them and they got them in for me.

no problem , you can ask me any questions you'd like.
 
Thanks so much for all your help.  I contacted Festool USA and they said they can't get that part.  I Google that part and it only comes up for European websites.  No problem.  I'll used the 456 806 part I have and make a short 27mm hose section with the 27mm nozzle that will slip perfectly into the 36mm nozzle.  This is similar to the solution many use by using a small section of the 27mm hose with 2 nozzle ends where one goes to the tool and the other slips into the 36mm nozzle so that they don't have to constantly switch out the whole hose when working between, say, a TS and a sander.

Thanks again. 
 
This is a really nice thread on making a compact solution to the fence adjust problems mentioned about the router module for CMS. I'm putting the CMS back on my list because of it, will likely get the CMS GE + OF2200 kit offered here in Germany and Denmark oh and have to budget for the Woodpecker micro adjust fence.. The Accesories systainer for the OF2200 and som bits, shall be say I'll be suited out by 2018?
 
jonmannyb said:
Thanks so much for all your help.  I contacted Festool USA and they said they can't get that part.  I Google that part and it only comes up for European websites.  No problem.  I'll used the 456 806 part I have and make a short 27mm hose section with the 27mm nozzle that will slip perfectly into the 36mm nozzle.  This is similar to the solution many use by using a small section of the 27mm hose with 2 nozzle ends where one goes to the tool and the other slips into the 36mm nozzle so that they don't have to constantly switch out the whole hose when working between, say, a TS and a sander.

Thanks again.

strange ..... I just got 3 of them?

any ways best of luck
 
Benjamin said:
Sorry for delay in saying thank you for all the info but Ive not been very well.

Charles.
just like JohnymanyB  me and a friend wanted to figure out how to improve on his cms fence and add a micro adjust to it,
so this is what we did.

first we wanted to make it very light and simple so we to ordered the Wood pecker micro adjust as it is proportional to the rest of the cms table, rather then the larger possibilities . Next we wanted to be able to install it to the fence in a very short time period or I knew we wouldn't of used it or it would be to bulky to carry around, so we bolted the micro adjust to a festool crown stop . Next was to get around the hose connection at the back of the fence, but a couple weeks ago I figure out you could use a right angle attachment from the new tapered hose that comes with the Midi and attach it to the 36mm hose of the Y connection , and this now makes it possible to push the fence directly from the back of the table.

we next attached bolts to the fence that attached to the micro adjust with two nuts and there you go , a pretty simple micro adjust set up that only takes 10 seconds to attach.

and yes if you were wondering the fence is always perfectly square to the sliding table,  as the micro adjust is aligned so when you attach the fence to it it puts everything in sq. as the double nuts on each rod makes it possible to do fine adjustments.

( PS you need to flip the wood pecker micro adjust up side down as its not on a T track and this will make it sit flat)

"Update"

since this post we made a few changes that I thought some might find interesting.

first I wanted to speed up the movement of the fence so I was able to take the knob off the wood pecker micro adjust and expose a 3/8th threading , so then I purchased a 4" hand wheel from Fastenal and attached it. It now moves very smoothly and much quicker back and forth , but also can be used for micro adjusting .

another thing we did ( which I'm guessing every one else has done by now ) is add a bunch more spacers to the festool knobs that holds the fence down, as I hated having to turn the thing 30 times before it was snug, so now with the added spacers it just turns 3 times and the fence is now snug done. (As I'm not promoting doing this for safety reasons )  but with the crown stop holding the fence in place you barley need to have any knobs at all as it almost doesn't move , but I place just one of them in for extra support.

This comes down to the point of moving the fence really fast to switch out cutters and collets, with just 3 turns of one knob and 3 turns of the crown stop you can move the whole fence right out of the way and when your done place the fence back exactly where it was before, and as mentioned before completely square to the sliding miter gauge, so theres less tinkering with the set up every time you have to change something , which can drive you crazy.

as for the right angle hose connection , the end is 50mm and the port on the fence is probably 45mm on the outside of the aluminum, so i placed a piece of the anti slip track strip around the opening and now the adapter fits nice and snug.

I hope this will be useful to those wanting to improve on there fence, as the table is a dream now that the fence is pleasant to work with.
 
Love your mod Benjamin.
I wondered if anyone had anything simpler. Obviously it wouldn't perform as well as this one but perhaps it would not require some many parts or alts to the fence. I always feel the Festool system but the "Festool Force" is stronger in others when it comes to using what we have to simplify how we do.
I always wondered if the angle stop could simply push the fence forward evenly to set the fence in position. In a previous post of mine I use it on the "cutter" side of the fence to align it but can see the possibility of placing it behind the fence to position it and then tighten the screws to set it.
Any ideas before I order the micro adjust and start drilling?
Scott
 
Thanks rst, that would be great if the size would fit.

Can someone please measure the OD an ID of the CMS fence dust port.

The dimensions of the Oneida DD elbow (AXD600103) I have are:
52mm ID / 58mm OD on the straight wider end
44mm ID / 49-54mm OD on the tapered end.

The standard 36mm hose end (487721 - D 36 DM-AS Reducing Sleeve) fits perfectly inside the elbow's tapered end.
 
The fittings will work, they are the same ones used with the Dust Deputy, just leave the original Festool end on.
 
Great idea, however I have the CMS/VL and I don't think it will work.

I am so frustrated with the CMS fence I could scream.  Ya it's a dead horse topic but I gotta vent.  The product website says it's "New".  Hmmmmm  it looks just like my 2 year old version.

Considering all the innovative, exacting products Festool makes, one would think they could make a router fence that doesn't take 30 minutes to set up for 5 minutes of routing......  Like it did today.  Sorry for the logic attack.  [crying]

Looks like I'm going to bite the bullet and take the Incra LS route.  Heck a new version of the CMS fence would probably be twice as much.
 
SMJoinery said:
Love your mod Benjamin.
I wondered if anyone had anything simpler. Obviously it wouldn't perform as well as this one but perhaps it would not require some many parts or alts to the fence. I always feel the Festool system but the "Festool Force" is stronger in others when it comes to using what we have to simplify how we do.
I always wondered if the angle stop could simply push the fence forward evenly to set the fence in position. In a previous post of mine I use it on the "cutter" side of the fence to align it but can see the possibility of placing it behind the fence to position it and then tighten the screws to set it.
Any ideas before I order the micro adjust and start drilling?
Scott
Hi,

Maybe this is simpler and non-invasive to the CMS construction :
https://tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=...&share_tid=40875&share_fid=11638&share_type=t
CMS router table and Rockler micro adjustment

Richard

Gesendet von meinem SM-N910F mit Tapatalk

 
iamnothim said:
Great idea, however I have the CMS/VL and I don't think it will work.

I am so frustrated with the CMS fence I could scream.  Ya it's a dead horse topic but I gotta vent.  The product website says it's "New".  Hmmmmm  it looks just like my 2 year old version.

Considering all the innovative, exacting products Festool makes, one would think they could make a router fence that doesn't take 30 minutes to set up for 5 minutes of routing......  Like it did today.  Sorry for the logic attack.  [crying]

Looks like I'm going to bite the bullet and take the Incra LS route.  Heck a new version of the CMS fence would probably be twice as much.

[member=28483]iamnothim[/member] I would have thought you'd have gone with the Precision Plate for the Incra years ago .. did you have a change of heart?
 
Kev said:
I would have thought you'd have gone with the Precision Plate for the Incra years ago .. did you have a change of heart?
Kev,
Ya.  It's all about what's in the "Leather"  I was searching yesterday for that "thingy" and couldn't find it.  Thanks for posting the name.  (Precision Plate)    Man I want one real bad.  It's crazy how sloppy the CMS fence is.  Very Un-Festool.

Here's the link to Brian's thread....  @bkharmon  Incra fence mounting plate for the MFT

Luke
 
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