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Clint,

H e l p.  How does one jigsaw upside down?  Is an auto mechanic creeper needed to roll one's self underneathe the board?

Joe
 
Thanks, the Rockler router table plate makes it do-able.

Darn, I already had a mechanic's creeper------BUT

The rockler approach makes it much safer and will keep the saw dust out of my eyes.

Joe
 
clintholeman said:
An easy solution is to cut with the saw under the piece - then you can see exactly where the saw is cutting.  Takes about 5 minutes worth of practice.  Try it - you'll never go back. :)
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that's a good idea,witch i have use before,for small pieces.
but what happen when you have to cut a sink out of a counter top?or the piece you are working with,can not be moved? or too big to turn upside down?
don't get me wrong,i like the jig saw,but i miss the dust blower like the bosch,and be able to see the line of cut. 
 
nicky????? first off what is flaming?????if some one called me toddy.they better be saying it over the phone... secondly,you better be bringing a great deal of beef to the barbecue, because i will sure be ;) as for the first post ,that slipped by me but i think that is telling. and just for the record i do enjoy looking at ALL of my festools, go ahead make my day. ;D Nick i think his sand box privileges should be revoked. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D it is fun to be back i third grade. ;D
 
i got it....it have heard it before but did not know.........here is a philosophical question......this is a thread about festool problems not operator problems? ;) ;)
on the serious side should we be talking about design issues, or manufacturing short comings, or sporadic QAQC issues? i have been thinking about this and these issues are different enough to cause a lack of focus. i think focus is important,,,,i do not know the answers but it something to think about. thoughts.
 
Oh man am I laughing!  I am seeing humor in this like crazy...well cuz I am like that and gravitate towards laughing and seeing humor...

Nick...ever see Stripes?  That's part of my "found humor"...."Call me by my name?....I'll kill you!"  ...."Lighten up Francis!" 

That's what we all need to do!

And Tallgrass...I will be stealing that line..."better be bringing a lot of beef to the barbecue...cause I sure will"  : )

Yer funny!
 
Well Nick I liked the original idea with this thread and I too don't like the dust window on the jig saw. If the suction ports had about four times the area then there would most likely be no need for a dust window. By restricting the 130 CFM vac with those little ports either side of the blade makes no sense. When I get time I will modify the base plate. Also the attitude shown on this thread really reminds me off how the US got into the Iraq war. If your not with us you're against us. When will people learn to listen and make constructive replies so that everyone will benefit. The whole US political system revolves around the shoot down and to use subterfuge as your argument instead of facts. This thread has shown a whole lot of that and if you look around the US you can sure see the results of a great country on the downward trend economically, morally and worldly stature.
Keep up the good work Nick
Steve
 
Matercabman-

Been making stuff do I didn't get back to your post as soon as I might have.  I don't do counter tops, but I know of what you speak.  A lot of the guys out here use small circular saws - battery powered for that kind of work and profiling as well.  Amazing to watch - fast too. 

I've cut some pretty large pieces doing it upside down.  But if you can't move it, it could be problematic, but in my experience, wood working is a series of problems solving events. ;D ;D

And nothing is perfect ;).  but I don't have a band saw and find that the FesTool jig saw works well for me - upside down.  I'll post some pix on my blog later this week showing how it works, if I can get the time.
 
I am definitely more of a lurker than anything.  I do have a lot invested in Festools already so I do have some of my own issues with Festool as well, which I will not go into here given where this thread is going.  I thought the original poster had a great idea that would be useful for anyone.  I certainly would have appreciated this type of information to help out as part of my purchasing decisions. Unfortunately, it appears that some people are so against any constructive criticism of the tools, it really amazes me. 

I would also say one would have to be very naive to think that those few who get free tools or are "invited" to Festool events and pretty much always/frequently talk about the tools in the most positive possible way are not part of the Festool marketing strategy.  I personally can see this very clearly.  As a sales and marketing consultant I can tell you a lot of other companies in all kinds of industries do this very same thing in one way or another.  This is an effective marketing technique because the line between "sales pitch" and  "honest user opinion" is very blurred. 

Unfortunately, this thread has mostly proved that most folks here are not interested seeing the negatives (even when they are intended to stimulate making the tools even better) along with the positives.  Which to me makes the forum far less useful to users as opposed to Festool, the company whose job it is to market the tools.
 
josephgewing said:
The Festool jig saw has a fatal flaw:  I can't see the cut line.  Do any of you have a solution for this?  I'm thinking about selling it.  Biggest strong point is the dust collection
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Hi,

        Someone on here had enlarged the opening in the front of the shroud. I can not remember who, and can not seem to do a search that will bring it up. Hopefully some one else can point you to it? 

Seth
 
NWW_08 said:
I am definitely more of a lurker than anything.  I do have a lot invested in Festools already so I do have some of my own issues with Festool as well, which I will not go into here given where this thread is going.  I thought the original poster had a great idea that would be useful for anyone.  I certainly would have appreciated this type of information to help out as part of my purchasing decisions. Unfortunately, it appears that some people are so against any constructive criticism of the tools, it really amazes me. 

I would also say one would have to be very naive to think that those few who get free tools or are "invited" to Festool events and pretty much always/frequently talk about the tools in the most positive possible way are not part of the Festool marketing strategy.  I personally can see this very clearly.  As a sales and marketing consultant I can tell you a lot of other companies in all kinds of industries do this very same thing in one way or another.  This is an effective marketing technique because the line between "sales pitch" and  "honest user opinion" is very blurred. 

Unfortunately, this thread has mostly proved that most folks here are not interested seeing the negatives (even when they are intended to stimulate making the tools even better) along with the positives.  Which to me makes the forum far less useful to users as opposed to Festool, the company whose job it is to market the tools.
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Mmm, I honestly think this is a bit of an extreme and exagerated opinion
and I disagree with your statement about what most folks here are doing

If you take time to explore this site, you will, not you may, find a number of completely
Festool independent posts from several users who came up with pretty good
solutions to problems frequently hit by other Festool users.

Among them, and this in not a complete list
- home made sysports and boom arms
- aligning and squaring the guide rails
- building miscellaneous jigs
- how to fix some tool failures or weaknesses

I would then suggest you look at these and correct your statement accordingly
 
Hi,

      This thread  has not proved that people here are not interested in seeing the negatives. It has shown that people in disagreement can end up bickering. And that people often react poorly to another's opinions / findings when presented in a direct , blunt, to the point manner. That doesn't mean that the information is wrong.

       There is plenty of negative stuff about Festool products on this forum. It may not seem like it is negative simply because the thread discussing it is offering a solution. But the very fact that a solution is needed demonstrates that there is a problem.

              EX- threads discussing fixes to Trion visibility, fixes to the Angle Unit, work arounds for the kerf / splinter strip. All of these and  more are in fact pointing out problems, and negatives.

            Does anyone actually think that nickao is lying about his problems with Festool products?  If not then take a moment to reconsider before replying with an attack on the poster or a defense of the product.   It is fine to disagree, and maybe not everyone considers the same things to be problems in the same light, but turning the thread into a flame war is pointless.

Seth
 
To borrow a word from Nick (which I criticized earlier in this thread) it is amazing to me the amount of crap that this discussion has generated.
 
NWW_08 said:
...Unfortunately, this thread has mostly proved that most folks here are not interested seeing the negatives (even when they are intended to stimulate making the tools even better) along with the positives.  Which to me makes the forum far less useful to users as opposed to Festool, the company whose job it is to market the tools.
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I disagree strongly with these statements.  The fact that such a discussion happened, in full view, without moderation or censorship, proves just the opposite.  The negatives are out there for anyone to see, right along with the overwhelming positives.  I have, numerous times, made it clear that criticism is welcomed.  To be fully informed, members have to take the time to explore the forum.

For a contrast, I recently had legitimate problems with Apple products.  When I tried to post about those problems on the Apple support forum, the whole thing was deleted without comment.

Matthew
 
It took 5 pages for the dust to settle, but I think this thread is finally going in the direction Nick originally intended.
 
I bet everyone reaches for the jigsaw when making a sink cutout, why?  Let's say you have a counter installed (formica for example) with an integral backsplash.  For most over mount sinks the jigsaw won't even get close enough to the back for the cut.  I've sure seen people fight with it.  I can cut out a sink so fast and perfect using a 2" Hole saw and the TS55.  Anyone out there needs to give their rail and TS a try at this.  You can cut most of the way to the corners then I just finish the cut with a Jap saw.  If there's any fine tuning to do I use the belt sander.  It's funny that I try to even make something like this look nice even though no one else can see it.  It's just me and doesn't take but a few minutes to make it look great.

Chris...

mastercabman said:
clintholeman said:
An easy solution is to cut with the saw under the piece - then you can see exactly where the saw is cutting.  Takes about 5 minutes worth of practice.  Try it - you'll never go back. :)
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that's a good idea,witch i have use before,for small pieces.
but what happen when you have to cut a sink out of a counter top?or the piece you are working with,can not be moved? or too big to turn upside down?
don't get me wrong,i like the jig saw,but i miss the dust blower like the bosch,and be able to see the line of cut. 
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Chris Mercado said:
I bet everyone reaches for the jigsaw when making a sink cutout, why?  Let's say you have a counter installed (formica for example) with an integral backsplash.  For most over mount sinks the jigsaw won't even get close enough to the back for the cut.  I've sure seen people fight with it.  I can cut out a sink so fast and perfect using a 2" Hole saw and the TS55.  Anyone out there needs to give their rail and TS a try at this.  You can cut most of the way to the corners then I just finish the cut with a Jap saw.  If there's any fine tuning to do I use the belt sander.  It's funny that I try to even make something like this look nice even though no one else can see it.  It's just me and doesn't take but a few minutes to make it look great.

Chris...
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Chris, I'm sorry but this post is inappropriate for this thread  ;)

I suggest you re-edit it to point out the failure of the Trion jigsaw to make flush cuts to the side.

Otherwise, it is just right for the character of the FOG as it has been for most of it's existence.
 
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