Consolidated Q&A for CMS Router Table

[Administrator_JSVN]

Jack, since you specifically addressed me, I'd like to post an answer. Unfortunately, that answer is that I don't know for sure. The CMS is designed for Festool routers. But that doesn't mean that other routers may work. It would need to be a plunge router, have three points on the base where the hold downs could attach the router to the router module, it would need a power button lock to keep it in the "on" position, and there would need to be a flat where the lift could make contact. Then, you'd need to ensure that the router is centered using a mandrel. The OF 1010 and 1400 have a small metal "key" for lack of a better word that engages with the base and assists in centering and placement.

Edited - Using a router other than the Festool OF 1010 or OF 1400 is prohibited per the manual and would void the warranty. My apologies for not stating this before.

Shane

 

[jacko9]

Jack, since you specifically addressed me, I'd like to post an answer. Unfortunately, that answer is that I don't know for sure. The CMS is designed for Festool routers. But that doesn't mean that other routers may work. It would need to be a plunge router, have three points on the base where the hold downs could attach the router to the router module, it would need a power button lock to keep it in the "on" position, and there would need to be a flat where the lift could make contact. Then, you'd need to ensure that the router is centered using a mandrel. The OF 1010 and 1400 have a small metal "key" for lack of a better word that engages with the base and assists in centering and placement.

Shane

Thanks Shane,  I have a Elu plunge router that I'll look over tomorrow to see if it might be compatible.  I might just bring it down to the Japan Woodworker and see if it fits.

Jack

 

[Tinker]

Jack, since you specifically addressed me, I'd like to post an answer. Unfortunately, that answer is that I don't know for sure. The CMS is designed for Festool routers. But that doesn't mean that other routers may work. It would need to be a plunge router, have three points on the base where the hold downs could attach the router to the router module, it would need a power button lock to keep it in the "on" position, and there would need to be a flat where the lift could make contact. Then, you'd need to ensure that the router is centered using a mandrel. The OF 1010 and 1400 have a small metal "key" for lack of a better word that engages with the base and assists in centering and placement.

Shane

Thanks Shane,  I have a Elu plunge router that I'll look over tomorrow to see if it might be compatible.  I might just bring it down to the Japan Woodworker and see if it fits.

Jack

Jacko, I will be interested to know if your Elu will fit.  I have a DeWalt that is currently residing on top of my WoodRat.  I am interested in the CMS.  I have the OF 1400, but might remove the DW from the woodrat if it would fit. That Rat just throws dust & chips from here to the moon.  I like the 1400 for hand use, but if the DW won't fit, i would put the 1400 under the CMS.

One more question:  Every time I ask if the OF 1000 matches specs with the 1010, I find it does.  So, I am assuming the 1000 will fit in the CMS.  Correct???  The only reason I would use the 1000 in the CMS would be to use a bit I do not have in 1/2" shank but do have in 8mm shank. 

Right now, I am trapped on the slippery slope and one foot is going one way and the other opposite.  I NEED both the Domino AND the CMS. 
Tinker

 

[wubears71]

If the CMS was approved to be used for the 2200 I would be ordering one and my current router table and big PC Router would be for sale.  However I just cannot see myself being comfortable with the 1400 and a big raised panel bit being used.  Am I nuts?

 

[Sparktrician]

If the CMS was approved to be used for the 2200 I would be ordering one and my current router table and big PC Router would be for sale.  However I just cannot see myself being comfortable with the 1400 and a big raised panel bit being used.  Am I nuts?

You're no more nuts than I am.  This is exactly why I asked the question about upgrading earlier.  It's for this reason that I'm going to hold off for a while.  The cost of the CMS ($1,600) is roughly equivalent to a self-assembled Bench Dog router table, phenolic or cast iron top, Incra fence, PC 7518 router, etc.  While I would prefer the Festool offering, and since I already own the OF2200 which I bought specifically to do raised panels, if I can't get the CMS parts to use the OF2200, I will invest in the self-assembled option instead and have the ability to do raised panels, not to mention the use of the Kreg beaded face frame setup. 

[crying]

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Tinker, the OF 1000 is compatible.

 

[wubears71]

If the CMS was approved to be used for the 2200 I would be ordering one and my current router table and big PC Router would be for sale.  However I just cannot see myself being comfortable with the 1400 and a big raised panel bit being used.  Am I nuts?

You're no more nuts than I am.  This is exactly why I asked the question about upgrading earlier.  It's for this reason that I'm going to hold off for a while.  The cost of the CMS ($1,600) is roughly equivalent to a self-assembled Bench Dog router table, phenolic or cast iron top, Incra fence, PC 7518 router, etc.  While I would prefer the Festool offering, and since I already own the OF2200 which I bought specifically to do raised panels, if I can't get the CMS parts to use the OF2200, I will invest in the self-assembled option instead and have the ability to do raised panels, not to mention the use of the Kreg beaded face frame setup. 

[crying]

That was my thinking.  I already have a nice new yankee workshop setup but it takes up so much room.  The CMS looked like a nice alternative. 

 

[jacko9]

Jack, since you specifically addressed me, I'd like to post an answer. Unfortunately, that answer is that I don't know for sure. The CMS is designed for Festool routers. But that doesn't mean that other routers may work. It would need to be a plunge router, have three points on the base where the hold downs could attach the router to the router module, it would need a power button lock to keep it in the "on" position, and there would need to be a flat where the lift could make contact. Then, you'd need to ensure that the router is centered using a mandrel. The OF 1010 and 1400 have a small metal "key" for lack of a better word that engages with the base and assists in centering and placement.

Shane

Thanks Shane,  I have a Elu plunge router that I'll look over tomorrow to see if it might be compatible.  I might just bring it down to the Japan Woodworker and see if it fits.

Jack

Jacko, I will be interested to know if your Elu will fit.  I have a DeWalt that is currently residing on top of my WoodRat.  I am interested in the CMS.  I have the OF 1400, but might remove the DW from the woodrat if it would fit. That Rat just throws dust & chips from here to the moon.  I like the 1400 for hand use, but if the DW won't fit, i would put the 1400 under the CMS.

One more question:  Every time I ask if the OF 1000 matches specs with the 1010, I find it does.  So, I am assuming the 1000 will fit in the CMS.  Correct???   The only reason I would use the 1000 in the CMS would be to use a bit I do not have in 1/2" shank but do have in 8mm shank. 

Right now, I am trapped on the slippery slope and one foot is going one way and the other opposite.  I NEED both the Domino AND the CMS. 
Tinker

Tinker,  It's questionable if the Elu will fit since the base has a raised ridge that's only about 1/4" wide.  If your stuck between the CMS and a Domino, I would go with the Domino.  I have both the Domino 500 and the Domino 700 and these two machines are worth every penny you spend on them.

Jack

 

[mouppe]

If the CMS was approved to be used for the 2200 I would be ordering one and my current router table and big PC Router would be for sale.  However I just cannot see myself being comfortable with the 1400 and a big raised panel bit being used.  Am I nuts?

I use an OF1400 in a CMS and I have no problems with large raised panel bits. My suggestion would be to hop over to your nearest dealer with the bit you have in mind and demo it. It's my suspicion that the OF1400 is actually as capable as many of the 3hp routers around, whether because of power, efficient dust collection or something else.

 

[Tinker]

[/quote]

Jacko, I will be interested to know if your Elu will fit.  I have a DeWalt that is currently residing on top of my WoodRat.  I am interested in the CMS.  I have the OF 1400, but might remove the DW from the woodrat if it would fit. That Rat just throws dust & chips from here to the moon.  I like the 1400 for hand use, but if the DW won't fit, i would put the 1400 under the CMS.

One more question:  Every time I ask if the OF 1000 matches specs with the 1010, I find it does.  So, I am assuming the 1000 will fit in the CMS.  Correct???   The only reason I would use the 1000 in the CMS would be to use a bit I do not have in 1/2" shank but do have in 8mm shank. 

Right now, I am trapped on the slippery slope and one foot is going one way and the other opposite.  I NEED both the Domino AND the CMS. 
Tinker
[/quote]

Tinker,  It's questionable if the Elu will fit since the base has a raised ridge that's only about 1/4" wide.  If your stuck between the CMS and a Domino, I would go with the Domino.  I have both the Domino 500 and the Domino 700 and these two machines are worth every penny you spend on them.

Jack
[/quote]

thanks Jack,  I am sort of leaning the same way.  i already have a table, but takes up too much space.  My WoodRat NEEDS too much space to handle the dust and chips. I sort of want to solve both problems. I think the CMS would do that.

But, as someone mentioned in another discussion, "the Domino is a game changer."
Tinker

PS  thanks Shane, i had thought that would be your answer (the 1000 will fit)

 

[GhostFist]

This looks to be an awesome set up, but not being compatible with the 2200 kinda blows it for me. I don't feel I should have to compromise on a $2000 rig. I don't yet own a 2200 but it's a bummer none the less

 

[Sparktrician]

If the CMS was approved to be used for the 2200 I would be ordering one and my current router table and big PC Router would be for sale.  However I just cannot see myself being comfortable with the 1400 and a big raised panel bit being used.  Am I nuts?

You're no more nuts than I am.  This is exactly why I asked the question about upgrading earlier.  It's for this reason that I'm going to hold off for a while.  The cost of the CMS ($1,600) is roughly equivalent to a self-assembled Bench Dog router table, phenolic or cast iron top, Incra fence, PC 7518 router, etc.  While I would prefer the Festool offering, and since I already own the OF2200 which I bought specifically to do raised panels, if I can't get the CMS parts to use the OF2200, I will invest in the self-assembled option instead and have the ability to do raised panels, not to mention the use of the Kreg beaded face frame setup. 

[crying]

That was my thinking.  I already have a nice new yankee workshop setup but it takes up so much room.  The CMS looked like a nice alternative. 

Having used the CMS at Festool, I have to say that it's a wonderful tool setup, but without the OF2200, it doesn't live up to its full capabilities.  Efficient use of space is a huge thing for me, too.  My shop is only 12' x 23' and I'd much rather have the more compact CMS setup. 

[sad]

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

I bet you could make it work, it can't be all that hard.

 

[Brayden]

Hi, this my first time one here. I work at Woodcraft and have had the opportunity to play with the new CMS a little bit. My question is if there are any other application that I'm not thinking of other then using it as a joiner that the micro-adustable fence would be beneficial?

 

[ccarrolladams]

Hi, this my first time one here. I work at Woodcraft and have had the opportunity to play with the new CMS a little bit. My question is if there are any other application that I'm not thinking of other then using it as a joiner that the micro-adustable fence would be beneficial?

[welcome] to The FOG, Brayden,

The CMS as a router table does virtually everything most of the popular premium router tables do. The primary advantages are that: the CMS accepts the Festool OF1010 and OF1400. So far UL has not approved use of the OF2200; the CMS is designed to be easily transported to job sites.

Certainly an OF1400 with a 1/2" collet can accept bits useful for edge jointing. It is entirely possible to set up the CMS w/OF1400 as an edge jointer.

 

[richk]

Any thoughts on using the Incra LS positioner on the CMS table?

 

[Rick Christopherson]

Hi, this my first time one here. I work at Woodcraft and have had the opportunity to play with the new CMS a little bit. My question is if there are any other application that I'm not thinking of other then using it as a joiner that the micro-adustable fence would be beneficial?

This function is useful any time you are using a profiling bit that removes the original registration surface. Vertical moulding is another common application. (Picture was the first one I could find, and comes from Rockler.)

 

[fritter63]

Any thoughts on using the Incra LS positioner on the CMS table?

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/sysport-cms-mft-%28work-in-progress%29/msg161773/#msg161773

If you search FOG and also Google the web for CMS Incra, there are other solutions out there.

 

[BlueRidgeWoodworksLLC]

Hi, this my first time one here. I work at Woodcraft and have had the opportunity to play with the new CMS a little bit. My question is if there are any other application that I'm not thinking of other then using it as a joiner that the micro-adustable fence would be beneficial?

This function is useful any time you are using a profiling bit that removes the original registration surface. Vertical moulding is another common application. (Picture was the first one I could find, and comes from Rockler.)

I have to pad out the out feed side when I'm profiling window sills or bullnose. Adjustable out feed would be great for that.

 

[Tinker]

It looks to me that in this case, the infeed side is adjustable.  It adds up to the same either way
Tinker