"do you borrow out your Festools"

Being a contractor, friends & neighbors know I have a raft of tools. After too many disappointments (re-read Per's post) I've accumulated a small stash of loaner tools I'll let people borrow. These are the tools that have been replaced by Festools or other upgrades along the way. They're only worth pennies on the dollar if I tried to sell them so I just hung on to them for this one purpose.

The circ saw and miter saw have blades; not great but serviceable. Sanders, sawzall, jigsaw...no blades or paper are provided. You can borrow the tool but gotta provide your own consumables.

If someone eyes the 'good stuff' I simply tell them I need my tools for a project/work/maintenance...any excuse to let them know they're off limits.

-Norm
 
Per Swenson said:
Remember when Mcfeelys had those custom labels for your systainers?

Mine say...  NO! GO BUY YOUR OWN!.....Per

I have this problem with a guy I work with!  He never returns stuff, and often will come and take it wo asking.  I've taken to hiding stuff!

I do let my kids at school use my Festools, but I am standing right there!  ;D

Steve 
 
Steveo48 said:
Per Swenson said:
Remember when Mcfeelys had those custom labels for your systainers?

Mine say...  NO! GO BUY YOUR OWN!.....Per

I have this problem with a guy I work with!  He never returns stuff, and often will come and take it wo asking.  I've taken to hiding stuff!

I do let my kids at school use my Festools, but I am standing right there!  ;D

Steve 

One of the guys you work with "borrows" your tools without asking???  That fella should have a boot placed squarely inside his a-hole.
 
Dixon, I must say that I could not agree more with your view of the guy who borrows without asking with the sole exception of the fact that the boot may not be enough.  :D ;) 8) Fred
 
The only reason I started down the slope was because I have a friend that had them.  Now that I own several Festools, we do share and or borrow when nessacary.  They always come back clean with few bucks in the case!
 
I lent out my kapex the other day......just kidding!  Although the all of my festools are only "things" I agree with everybody in here that nobody takes care of your "things" as good as you do.  In reverse, I don't borrow anything from anybody.  If I want/need something I get it myself!

Bob
 
builderbob said:
I lent out my kapex the other day......just kidding!  Although the all of my festools are only "things" I agree with everybody in here that nobody takes care of your "things" as good as you do.  In reverse, I don't borrow anything from anybody.  If I want/need something I get it myself!

Bob

That makes two of us!

Norm
 
I lend Festools to one person and one person only - Sal. He helps  me in the shop and is always putting Festools away. He wraps the cord using a cleaning cloth as he goes and making sure the coil matches the original coil - fastidious. We have a picture of how each product looked when first arrived. That helps him and me pack the tools properly.
  Festool lending is like money lending -- "I never loan money to a friend...their friendship is too precious and lending money too often causes a problem." I used to suggest that they should leave their wife as collateral, but wives are too old for that these days. They might purposely default on the pay back.
 
When I first got started in woodworking back in 85, in a one bedroom apt, I could not afford good tools.  Over the years generally once a year I had saved enough to buy one good tool.  I've kept the oldies and when someone needs something I can reach over and hand them the craftsman router that still runs and say take care of it and bring it back in good condition.  If someone needs more, I say bring the piece by and I'll cut it for you.  It's like when I was young and we would plant field corn around the outside of our sweet corn so the deer would eat that instead of the good stuff.
 
One great thing about Festools is that my acquaints are less likely to ask to borrow them: they
can't very well just take the saw, for example. Because they'd need the guide rail too, and the
vacuum. Another + for "the system" concept! That should be in their brochures...

It's not as much of a detriment as, say, a table saw, but it's *way* better than just a loose tool.
 
minimal said:
One great thing about Festools is that my acquaints are less likely to ask to borrow them: they
can't very well just take the saw, for example. Because they'd need the guide rail too, and the
vacuum. Another + for "the system" concept! That should be in their brochures...

It's not as much of a detriment as, say, a table saw, but it's *way* better than just a loose tool.

Hi,

    Stack your Systainers ten high. Then tell'em - "you have to carry the whole unit. can't take just the saw!"  Followed by-      " man I don't know why I bought this crappy system"  :D

Seth
 
I've found that borrowers fall into two completely separate camps - the same regardless of what you loan them, tools, books, money, ...  

The really bad ones seem to confuse "loan" with "give".  They keep things long after their need has passed, sometimes even forgetting they have the item or who loaned it to them.  They don't take proper care of things (including their own), so when you finally get it back, it is not in the same condition as when you loaned it.  I once had a person second-hand loan one of my tools to his neighbor   When, after six months, I asked for it back, he said "Oh, Joe's got it.  Here's his phone number"  I found the (almost new when loaned) tool nearly bare of paint from scuffing, power cord insulation abraded through, trigger switch so packed full of sawdust he had been using it by unplugging.  The original borrower didn't even take responsibility for retrieving it, let alone for fixing it!.  Also, some folks have all the best intentions, but are simply inept.  Then they act all embarrassed and back you into a corner where you are supposed to say "Oh, that's ok, don't worry about it".

A tough case is a professional with the attitude "wear and tear are part of the job; I don't have time or energy to baby my tools".  One guy who watched me cutting stock with guide rail and TS55 told me "I'd bust that to pieces inside a week.  Way too pretty and expensive to be of use to me".  The TS55 is probably tougher than he realizes, but looking at his own tools he may still have been right.  He just passes the replacement costs through to customers.  So, should I loan him a tool?  He'll probably replace it if he breaks it, but he won't think anything about minor damage and scuffing from what I would view as abuse.

The good ones treat your loan as an honor.  They bring things back the instant they have completed a task.  They show as much care for your item as you would.  If they damage it, they fix or replace it.  Another of my friends actually cleaned the rust off an old cruddy pipe wrench and reworked the mechanism so it functioned better.  Another bought a new blade for my saw.

The problem is that until you loan something, it is very hard to tell which camp someone falls into.  If they are one of the baddies, it is then too late.  So, I allow only relatively inexpensive commonplace tools to go out of my direct supervision, things it is either nearly impossible to damage or I am due to replace anyway.  My Festools definitely don't fit either of these categories!

Steve
 
A couple years ago a friend of mine loaned me his Bosch 14 V cordless drill for a little weekend job.  I fumbled the drill and dropped it off the top of a 14 ft ladder onto a concrete floor.  The sudden stop at the bottom busted the hell out of that drill.  It still worked (sort of) but it was not in the same condition I borrowed it in.  I went to Lowes and bought the latest model of the same drill.  It sure hurt to pay the $168.  But I viewed that as my only option.

Now I own lots of festool stuff and I don't thnk I would borrow someone elses festool.  I can't imagine coughin' up $500 for a C12 for someone else because I scratched it.  Likewise, I might loan it to a good friend but they would walk away knowing how much the tool cost.
 
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