Domino Imperial Depth Scale

[Slappy]

Our Imperial Thickness Gauge for the Domino DF500 is now available... you can read more about it on our blog:

Imperial Thickness Gauge

So which is better the Domiplate or this new Depth Scale? I guess the depth scale is more flexible as it has 6 settings opposed to  the two on the Domiplate?

I'm going to update product descriptions on our site to help clarify this.     If you primarily work in only 1/2 and 3/4" material,  The Domiplate is probably the better choice because it is a reliable way to set a specific offset and create many mortises with absolutely no possibility of "Fence drift".       On the other hand, If you frequently use material other than 1/2" and 3/4", the new thickness gauge allows you more versatility in choosing difference fence offsets...but it doesn't provide that extra "insurance" against fence drift that the Domiplate would.  

I'll be working in either 1/2 " & 3/4 " plywood stocks so the plate is very valuable for a lot of repeat work
Then  to have "other" options  like both  the imperial & metric gauges just make for increased flexibility for more precise work . 

 

[Sparktrician]

Any chance of you guys producing one with these increments - 12mm, 1/2", 5/8", 18mm,  3/4", 1"? 

 

[Slappy]

I just got your email & ordered this right off ,  [drooling]  http://www.senecawoodworking.com/products/imperial-thickness-gauge-df500

also got your Parallel Guide System for Incra T-Track Plus as it's discounted on your site right now his improved system I have been waiting for

   http://www.senecawoodworking.com/products/parallel-guide-system-for-incra-t-track-plus

this will go well with my new TS55REQ I'm getting from  Bob Marino     [popcorn]

ThanX for the coupon from my last order of the DomiPlate

very Happy with your Fast shipping  [eek]
Keep those new products coming ! 
[thumbs up] [thanks] [thumbs up]

Thank you for your order!  it will go out tomorrow!

Got my email alert here early in the morning  ,I ordered the depth scale as soon as I seen it on the website    & I got my shipping  notice/tracking number  this afternoon for  my order of both  Imperial Thickness Gauge  &  Parallel Guide System(this on discount right now )  & I should have them by Saturday if not then Monday the latest .
Same great service as before from Seneca on my Domipate order !  these guys Rock  !    !    [thanks]

 

[Stoli]

The description states these are intended for use with nominal sized ply.  This would imply that the 1/2 setting is actually smaller than 1/4.  What exactly are the thicknesses of the various steps?  I do realize that maintaining a constant offset that is close to the middle of the boards is more important than being in the exact center.  I just seems that someone may misread the description and expect exact sizes as shown on the label.

 

[RONWEN]

The description states these are intended for use with nominal sized ply.  This would imply that the 1/2 setting is actually smaller than 1/4.  What exactly are the thicknesses of the various steps?  I do realize that maintaining a constant offset that is close to the middle of the boards is more important than being in the exact center.  I just seems that someone may misread the description and expect exact sizes as shown on the label.

You are correct, each of the increments is set to center on nominal ply dimensions which are typically 1/64" TO 1/32" under size.  

 

[Richard D.]

I don't see the advantage to this. Sheet goods are already in metric sizes and when is it ever imperative to be exactly in the center? So besides reading in Imperial for people who have trouble with Metric, I don't get it. If you have that much trouble with Metric the entire Festool line will give you problems and maybe the answer is to figure out the easiest system of measurement that the rest of the world uses, or stick to Delta and Stanley.

 

[Paul G]

I don't see the advantage to this. Sheet goods are already in metric sizes and when is it ever imperative to be exactly in the center? So besides reading in Imperial for people who have trouble with Metric, I don't get it. If you have that much trouble with Metric the entire Festool line will give you problems and maybe the answer is to figure out the easiest system of measurement that the rest of the world uses, or stick to Delta and Stanley.

Interesting logic, I think in inches therefore I don't deserve to use better tools.

 

[Richard D.]

I don't see the advantage to this. Sheet goods are already in metric sizes and when is it ever imperative to be exactly in the center? So besides reading in Imperial for people who have trouble with Metric, I don't get it. If you have that much trouble with Metric the entire Festool line will give you problems and maybe the answer is to figure out the easiest system of measurement that the rest of the world uses, or stick to Delta and Stanley.

Interesting logic, I think in inches therefore I don't deserve to use better tools.

That is not what I said. You have already changed the way you think about woodworking by buying into the festool philosophy which is much different than the "American" way of table saws, mortisers and large dust collectors. Why not adjust your thinking to get used to Metric measurement as well (which is far easier than learning inches). Even with a hybrid shop where you have both types of tools like mine is, it is worth the effort to understand Metric.

Say you get the new height stop in Imperial. What about the Dominos, depth stop and Metric sheet goods? It is simpler to stay with one system when using the tool.

 

[Paul G]

I don't see the advantage to this. Sheet goods are already in metric sizes and when is it ever imperative to be exactly in the center? So besides reading in Imperial for people who have trouble with Metric, I don't get it. If you have that much trouble with Metric the entire Festool line will give you problems and maybe the answer is to figure out the easiest system of measurement that the rest of the world uses, or stick to Delta and Stanley.

Interesting logic, I think in inches therefore I don't deserve to use better tools.

That is not what I said. You have already changed the way you think about woodworking by buying into the festool philosophy which is much different than the "American" way of table saws, mortisers and large dust collectors. Why not adjust your thinking to get used to Metric measurement as well (which is far easier than learning inches). Even with a hybrid shop where you have both types of tools like mine is, it is worth the effort to understand Metric.

Say you get the new height stop in Imperial. What about the Dominos, depth stop and Metric sheet goods? It is simpler to stay with one system when using the tool.

Festool may have an underlying philosophy that guides them, but what I bought was an assortment of tools that fill a niche for my needs. And Seneca has developed (with their money) accessories for sale that make Festools more useful for folks like me who buy them (with our money). That's how free markets work, if they are not a good fit for you then don't buy them, but what is the point in ridiculing those who do? Folks in the US have to deal with living in an Imperial country in their own way. To your point about all the other metric measures on Festools, it is what it is. If Festool isn't going to budge then others like Seneca will fill the gaps where they can. BTW I still love a good cabinet saw, large jointers, planers and sanders that all benefit from a large dust collection system. Assuming a Festool owner has sworn off such things is misguided. I just currently lack the appropriate space for them, all in due time. We may look at things differently but I still wish you all the best in your woodworking endeavors.

 

[Slappy]

I don't see the advantage to this. Sheet goods are already in metric sizes and when is it ever imperative to be exactly in the center? So besides reading in Imperial for people who have trouble with Metric, I don't get it. If you have that much trouble with Metric the entire Festool line will give you problems and maybe the answer is to figure out the easiest system of measurement that the rest of the world uses, or stick to Delta and Stanley.

Interesting logic, I think in inches therefore I don't deserve to use better tools.

That is not what I said. You have already changed the way you think about woodworking by buying into the festool philosophy which is much different than the "American" way of table saws, mortisers and large dust collectors. Why not adjust your thinking to get used to Metric measurement as well (which is far easier than learning inches). Even with a hybrid shop where you have both types of tools like mine is, it is worth the effort to understand Metric.

Say you get the new height stop in Imperial. What about the Dominos, depth stop and Metric sheet goods? It is simpler to stay with one system when using the tool.

So just because I buy a Festool I am I forced to convert my whole way of thinking ? If I'm drinking only Green Koolaide now then I have clear out all imperial tools from my shop ?
most of the sheet stock I buy is in Imperial so when I'm using that sheet stock I will use this new stop , if & when I use metric sheet stock I will swap the stop to metric . I find the less I have to think about any scale conversions while working the less mistakes I make . As for the metric cutter heads & the matching Dominos , there is no conversion task there that I have to process I simply place what I feel is the best size domino up to the stock for whith ,depth & then pick the same size cutter  . I set the machine up for work flow & choose the best stop for the project , the less I have to think about any conversion the less chance of a mental mistake on my part .
I find the new stop useful to me & you don't feel that way So don't get one .

 

[Richard D.]

I wasn't trying to "ridicule" anyone. Nobody should take something posted on the Internet by a stranger personally. We are talking about tools, nothing more.

 

[Paul G]

I wasn't trying to "ridicule" anyone. Nobody should take something posted on the Internet by a stranger personally. We are talking about tools, nothing more.

That's fair, though I'm at a loss for how to describe the suggestion that I should stick with Delta and Stanley. Was that intended as a compliment? If so I completely missed it, my apologies.

 

[RyWen]

I don't see the advantage to this. Sheet goods are already in metric sizes and when is it ever imperative to be exactly in the center? So besides reading in Imperial for people who have trouble with Metric, I don't get it. If you have that much trouble with Metric the entire Festool line will give you problems and maybe the answer is to figure out the easiest system of measurement that the rest of the world uses, or stick to Delta and Stanley.

Interesting logic, I think in inches therefore I don't deserve to use better tools.

That is not what I said. You have already changed the way you think about woodworking by buying into the festool philosophy which is much different than the "American" way of table saws, mortisers and large dust collectors. Why not adjust your thinking to get used to Metric measurement as well (which is far easier than learning inches). Even with a hybrid shop where you have both types of tools like mine is, it is worth the effort to understand Metric.

Say you get the new height stop in Imperial. What about the Dominos, depth stop and Metric sheet goods? It is simpler to stay with one system when using the tool.

In regards to your point about a depth stop;   In theory it would be simpler if everything were the same units. but since domino tenons come in metric lengths, calculating depth is probably simpler for most people using the metric system.    Sheet stock is predominantly sold in the us in imperial measurements... so many users prefer calculating offsets in imperial measurements rather than converting.

If you don't see the advantage to our products because you have a workflow that involves converting metric to imperial and it works for you, that's great!  Our business model isn't to try and dictate what system someone should use. There are far too many entities involved in the imperial/metric divide for us to make a significant impact on converting an entire country to the metric system.   We design and manufacture products that solve problems. For people who would rather not do so many conversions between the two systems...this is a useful product.    

 

[RyWen]

Any chance of you guys producing one with these increments - 12mm, 1/2", 5/8", 18mm,  3/4", 1"? 

perhaps if there's enough demand.  However at this point, the reason we don't yet have a 'metric Domiplate' probably applies here to the Imperial Thickness Gauge:  Since the tenons don't have to be *perfectly* centered, we've found that most people who work with 12mm and 18mm just use the 1/2" and 3/4" Domiplate since there's less than 1mm difference  between the imperial and metric dimensions.

 

[Richard D.]

In regards to your point about a depth stop;   In theory it would be simpler if everything were the same units. but since domino tenons come in metric lengths, calculating depth is probably simpler for most people using the metric system.    Sheet stock is predominantly sold in the us in imperial measurements... so many users prefer calculating offsets in imperial measurements rather than converting.

Good to see you have an open mind and don't take my comments personally. Obviously I am in the minority and your demographic is certainly here. Although it's sold in Imperial we know that  3/4" Birch ply is really 18mm.

 

[festnoob]

All the 3/4 ply and mdf around me is 18mm and the half inch is 12mm.  [2cents]

 

[semenza]

Sheet goods vary depending on what they are and  what manufacturer made them , etc.  The MDO I used a couple weeks ago was a true 3/4".  I figured it was because the "paper" outer layer made up the difference from 18mm. However I pulled a cut off out to use from a previous batch and found it to be  18mm including the paper.

Seth

 

[Slappy]

ordered on Wednesday morning & I have mine in hand on Saturday afternoon
along with the  Seneca new improved Parallel Guide System for my TS55 REQ
http://www.senecawoodworking.com/products/parallel-guide-system-for-incra-t-track-plus

 great service  [thanks]

 

[adubeau]

It appears they are out of stock.. I am interested in ordering anyway I can get on a "We have it!"  notification list???