Dust Deputy On Systainer

[Scott W.]

Scott,
Love the sys5 w/DD. What fittings did you need for the festool hoses to be able to attach?

thanks,

Eiji

Eiji,

This is going to sound a lot more complicated than it really is. Sorry, I don't have any part numbers here. I just called Timmy C. & said I want to connect x,y,z send me some parts  and wa la!

From tool to DD:
The connector on the side of the DD (to the tool) fits the rubber end (tool end) of the medium sized Festool hose that came with the workshop cleaning accessory kit (D36??) I already had. That hose runs up my boom (backwards I guess ). It connects with a Festool adaptor that came with the boom arm hose that connects to hoses vac end to vac end together. From there I connect a short piece of the hose that came with my ct22 (D27??) which I cut off & put a new end on so I had a smaller hose at the tool. That takes care of the "dust in side"

From DD to Vac:

The large hose that came with the boom arm (D50??) goes from the vac  to the DD. On the DD end. I had a Festool hose swivel end laying around (the end that goes into the vac) Just so happens that the hose side fits perfect over the DD port. I used another coupler from Festool (vac end to vac end) to connect the hose.

I guess in the end, It depends on which Festool Hoses you are connecting ???

I was actually only short one coupler when I started but had Timmy send me each end of the D27 also so I could cut it off & use a short piece for the final section to the tool.

Let me know what hoses you are using & I'll try to figure it out for you (or I'll call Timmy & let him figure it out  ;D)

ADD: BTW, If you haven't read this entire thread, take a look. The others have some good ideas on making it more portable & other methods that may be even better. Especially if you need to take it on site.

Scott W.

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

Scott,
Love the sys5 w/DD. What fittings did you need for the festool hoses to be able to attach?

thanks,

Eiji

Eiji,

This is going to sound a lot more complicated than it really is. Sorry, I don't have any part numbers here. I just called Timmy C. & said I want to connect x,y,z send me some parts  and wa la!

From tool to DD:
The connector on the side of the DD (to the tool) fits the rubber end (tool end) of the medium sized Festool hose that came with the workshop cleaning accessory kit (D36??) I already had. That hose runs up my boom (backwards I guess ). It connects with a Festool adaptor that came with the boom arm hose that connects to hoses vac end to vac end together. From there I connect a short piece of the hose that came with my ct22 (D27??) which I cut off & put a new end on so I had a smaller hose at the tool. That takes care of the "dust in side"

From DD to Vac:

The large hose that came with the boom arm (D50??) goes from the vac  to the DD. On the DD end. I had a Festool hose swivel end laying around (the end that goes into the vac) Just so happens that the hose side fits perfect over the DD port. I used another coupler from Festool (vac end to vac end) to connect the hose.

I guess in the end, It depends on which Festool Hoses you are connecting ???

I was actually only short one coupler when I started but had Timmy send me each end of the D27 also so I could cut it off & use a short piece for the final section to the tool.

Let me know what hoses you are using & I'll try to figure it out for you (or I'll call Timmy & let him figure it out  ;D)

Scott W.

Hi Scott! I too am very curious about this setup. For a slightly more simple setup, which parts do you think I'd need for connecting a CT-22 to DD using a D50 hose, and running a D36 or D27 hose from DD to tool? Is there a way of doing it so I'm not really modifying the hoses? What I'm getting at is I try to keep my stuff really mobile and modular, so I'm kind of wary of modifying my hoses in such a way that I can't readily use them just with the DD. I'd really like to keep my hoses in their stock configuration, and make any necessary modifications to the DD with reducers, collars, etc... I really appreciate your time on all this, thanks!
---Tom

 

[Scott W.]

Hi Scott! I too am very curious about this setup. For a slightly more simple setup, which parts do you think I'd need for connecting a CT-22 to DD using a D50 hose, and running a D36 or D27 hose from DD to tool? Is there a way of doing it so I'm not really modifying the hoses? What I'm getting at is I try to keep my stuff really mobile and modular, so I'm kind of wary of modifying my hoses in such a way that I can't readily use them just with the DD. I'd really like to keep my hoses in their stock configuration, and make any necessary modifications to the DD with reducers, collars, etc... I really appreciate your time on all this, thanks!
---Tom

Hi Tom,

I didn't modify any hoses just for the DD. 
I cut the D27 hose off so I could use it added on to the end of the D36 from the boom so there would be a smaller hose at the tool. All the hoses are just as they came except now I have two shorter D27 hoses instead of one long one.

That said,

Run your D50 from the vac to the DD. On the DD end you need the Festool vac end to vac end coupler and one of the replacement swivel hose ends (vac side) the hose side will fit the DD, the vac side goes in the coupler, it's just a little plastic sleeve.

On the dust in side (to the tool) you need to get from which ever hose you are using to a rubber (tool end) of the D36 hose. I just turned my D36 around backwards and then adapted the other end (vac end) to a short piece of the D27 hose with a coupler.

I'm sorry this seems complicated, It's not... It's just hard to explain.  ???

Scott W.

 

[Corwin]

I'll be receiving my ClearVue during the week and will attempt the SYS-5 container.  Now that the Sys-5 is also on her way, I began thinking of simply using a Sys-1 with the lid removed, and build a container with the SYS-1 as its base -- and doing something else at the top end.  Well, maybe that's what I'll try...

One thing I hope to also try is to place a wannabe cyclone separator in-line before the ClearVue cyclone during heavier operations.  This may allow the separator to remove the chips that seem problematic once they enter the Cyclone.  Anyone try this?  If that would function properly, it would make a nice setup for the planer.

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

Hi Tom,

I didn't modify any hoses just for the DD. 
I cut the D27 hose off so I could use it added on to the end of the D36 from the boom so there would be a smaller hose at the tool. All the hoses are just as they came except now I have two shorter D27 hoses instead of one long one.

That said,

Run your D50 from the vac to the DD. On the DD end you need the Festool vac end to vac end coupler and one of the replacement swivel hose ends (vac side) the hose side will fit the DD, the vac side goes in the coupler, it's just a little plastic sleeve.

On the dust in side (to the tool) you need to get from which ever hose you are using to a rubber (tool end) of the D36 hose. I just turned my D36 around backwards and then adapted the other end (vac end) to a short piece of the D27 hose with a coupler.

I'm sorry this seems complicated, It's not... It's just hard to explain.  ???

Scott W.

Hi Scott! Yup, now it's all making more sense to me. When I can fit it into my budget I'm going to get a DD/Sys5 like you, it seems perfect for on-site use with planers and larger saws such as the Kapex and a benchtop tablesaw. Again, great idea, keep 'em coming!!
Regards,
Tom

 

[Ned]

...I began thinking of simply using a Sys-1 with the lid removed, and build a container with the SYS-1 as its base...

So you'd be using the SYS 1 as the bottom of the container?  Seems an expensive way to get a Systainer-compatible base plate.

OTOH, if there's any size of Systainer you've got extras of, and don't really have any use for, that'd be the #1. 

Ned

 

[ericbuggeln]

Scott, I checked out your shop slideshow, very nice.  I had Timmy c send me a Sys 5 before the price increase.  I hope to borrow your design or in the worst case scenario use Sys 5 for random tools, etc.  My dog fits in a Sys 4, she is 12 lbs and also a badass.  Thanks for the design idea, Eric

Hi Eric,

I ran down to the shop this morning and did a quick measurement. The DD will go inside the Sys5 with my liner with no problem at all.

Scott

Thanks Scott for the intel.  Its funny how a lot of people seemed to need that final push to get into the cyclone world.

 

[Corwin]

...I began thinking of simply using a Sys-1 with the lid removed, and build a container with the SYS-1 as its base...

So you'd be using the SYS 1 as the bottom of the container?  Seems an expensive way to get a Systainer-compatible base plate.

OTOH, if there's any size of Systainer you've got extras of, and don't really have any use for, that'd be the #1.   

Ned

Ned, I'll have to agree with you on this...  Even though I have a SYS 5 on the way for this project, after you pointed out an obvious use for a Sys 1 for another use, I got thinking about this application.  But hey, I certainly do appreciate your replies and what ideas and advice you have offered on this forum.  It did make me feel a little stupid for not seeing what should have been obvious, but I've been on either side of that situation, and am all the better for your insight.  Thanks!      - Corwin

 

[Texastutt]

I'm not completely clear what your talking about with the Systainer 1, but without the lid they systainer's are not as strong.

 

[Ned]

I'm not completely clear what your talking about with the Systainer 1, but without the lid they systainer's are not as strong.

The SYS 1, shortest of the standard Systainers at 105mm, about 4 inches, high.

I say it's the one you're most likely to have lying around because sometimes you'll want a bit more room than standard, say for your jigsaw, and pop the insert and tool into a larger Systainer than the tool came in.  If you do this kind of swapping around, it's invariably to a bigger one.  Do this often enough and you run out of uses for the SYS 1 before you run out of SYS 1s.

Ned

 

[Michael Kellough]

I'm not completely clear what your talking about with the Systainer 1, but without the lid they systainer's are not as strong.

The idea is to put a taller plywood box into a Sys 1 and put the cyclone on top of the plywood box.
The Sys 1 will be the latchable interface to the Festool vac.

 

[Texastutt]

Oh OK I'm clued in now.  8)

 

[Corwin]

Yep, that ClearVue showed up yesterday, and I hooked it up as shown in the photo in no time today.  Works like a champ -- Hoses fit directly (but I did order a longer D50 just for the occasion) and the paint bucket does not collapse when you deadhead the nozzle.  Be a little nicer if those paint buck lids came on and off easier, but this was quick and easy.  Best of all, it works great!

Now for one of those tool organizers that fits on the inside a Systainer lid...

 

[Texastutt]

That Looks like a Shop Thang...  but if it keeps the dust out of expensive bag its good, I now understand fully why a Systainer 1 would be good. I'm looking for a way to keep the dust off of my table saw on site.

 

[semenza]

Hi,

    A special  lid removal tool is available for those bucket lids.  I think I might have one kicking around somewhere. I will try to dig it up and take a pic if you want?

Seth

 

[ericbuggeln]

Those tools(5 gallon bucket lid opener, i think) work great.  The only thing is that the more times you use them the lid begins to not bend back to it's original position.  This would probably mean you would need to get replacements every once in awhile?

 

[Corwin]

Hey, that 5 gallon paint bucket was simply what I had around (and there's a few more around here too), so I just wanted to set it up and try her out.  This was a simple task to fit the ClearVue to the bucket's lid and perfect when I discovered that it fit into the Workshop Cleaning Set's Systainer 4 -- with even a little room to spare for whatever.

Actually, I am surprised that this container has not imploded as so many have reported -- maybe because I have not yet cut the D50 hose down to fit?  I was thinking the bucket would be the problem (or delay) in setting up the cyclone, but found that this works fine.  Best part is simply attaching the hoses without the need to find the right fittings.  I do plan on applying some copper tape to complete the AS circuit sometime later.  These cyclones have been an item I have looked at for about 1-1/2 years and knew I would get around to this one day, but my bag was needing a changing, so this was a great time.

As to being a 'shop only' item, well, it doesn't need to be.  The ClearVue unit will not fit into a Systainer 5, but if they were to offer a Systainer 6 the works would stow nicely.  Until then you could find some way to transport the cyclone without damage, and a container and some hose shouldn't prevent one from going on the road with their cyclone equipped CT.  Mine will have to travel, but that's just from my basement shop up to the garage for those times when I need to break down some larger material.

 

[Texastutt]

Hi,
    A special  lid removal tool is available for those bucket lids.  I think I might have one kicking around somewhere. I will try to dig it up and take a pic if you want?
Seth

I take and cut off the "clips" from the bucket on the table saw and it makes it easy to open, don't cut it too high or the lid will not fit snug.

 

[Dave Ronyak]

Scott,

Yes, the dual drums fill fairly evenly.  Oneida provides short lengths of clear hose to connect the drums to the bottom outlets of the cyclones, and you can see the debris flowing through those hoses into the drums, too, so you can see when they filled.  The key ring style remote control that comes already installed works well, too.  All you have to do is assemble (bolt together the pieces), sealing them with the supplied tube of silicone caulking.

Dave R.

 

[Mike_Chrest]

Michael K,
 

The idea is to put a taller plywood box into a Sys 1 and put the cyclone on top of the plywood box.
The Sys 1 will be the latchable interface to the Festool vac.

Why not make the bottom of the plywood box slightly larger than the sides and cut notches. If you use 1/2" ply for the bottom it latches to the vac perfectly.

Here's a thread on an adaptor plate ( see picture on post 14).
http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=1286.0

Mike C.