Electrician's Right Angle Drill, Festool option?

If you are thinking of buying a Hole Hawg for one DIY electrical project you are just looking for an excuse to buy a new tool.

I love my T-15 and have used the PDC. If they bring in the DRC, I may likely buy one. The Makita and Milwaukee new 1200 inch/pound 18v drills are more powerful than the PDC and need the longer side handle. The also have low speeds that top out about 500 rpm that are made for larger holes. Those drills are beasts compared to the typical 18v drills that have 400-500 inch pounds of torque. Even the latest drills below that group are 700-750 inch pounds so are built for different work.

A Hole Hawg is the one targeted at electrical contractors and is way better for that function than any of the above. The Super Hawg is targeted at plumbing contractors who need to drill bigger holes. I have a Super Hawg because it is useful for both functions and because it has a clutch in low gear. Tom can tell you why! The two speed Hole Hawg would probably also be useful for smaller and larger holes. People that buy any of these tools tend to be doing serious work on a production basis and have their own preferences as they require some skill to operate or they will beat you up and hurt you.

The M18 Hole Hawg is no more powerful than the 1200 inch pound Makita and Milwaukee high end 18v drills but is optimized for doing lots of holes quickly by someone used to working with that style drill. It is single speed and doesn't have the lower speeds that those drills do so may not even drill as big a hole maximum. It was built to be use by someone being paid by the job to get it done efficiently.

I played with the M18 Super Hawg last week. It is impressive.

One electrical job in your own basement? Just use what you have, well maybe a C12 will be a bit whimpy. What size holes, how many, in what?
 
GregBradley said:
If you are thinking of buying a Hole Hawg for one DIY electrical project you are just looking for an excuse to buy a new tool.

I love my T-15 and have used the PDC. If they bring in the DRC, I may likely buy one. The Makita and Milwaukee new 1200 inch/pound 18v drills are more powerful than the PDC and need the longer side handle. The also have low speeds that top out about 500 rpm that are made for larger holes. Those drills are beasts compared to the typical 18v drills that have 400-500 inch pounds of torque. Even the latest drills below that group are 700-750 inch pounds so are built for different work.

A Hole Hawg is the one targeted at electrical contractors and is way better for that function than any of the above. The Super Hawg is targeted at plumbing contractors who need to drill bigger holes. I have a Super Hawg because it is useful for both functions and because it has a clutch in low gear. Tom can tell you why! The two speed Hole Hawg would probably also be useful for smaller and larger holes. People that buy any of these tools tend to be doing serious work on a production basis and have their own preferences as they require some skill to operate or they will beat you up and hurt you.

The M18 Hole Hawg is no more powerful than the 1200 inch pound Makita and Milwaukee high end 18v drills but is optimized for doing lots of holes quickly by someone used to working with that style drill. It is single speed and doesn't have the lower speeds that those drills do so may not even drill as big a hole maximum. It was built to be use by someone being paid by the job to get it done efficiently.

I played with the M18 Super Hawg last week. It is impressive.

One electrical job in your own basement? Just use what you have, well maybe a C12 will be a bit whimpy. What size holes, how many, in what?

I'm not an electrician so I have never used the hole hawg, but is it really that impressive?

The form factor is of course great for drilling between joists, but on paper, it's not putting out much more torque than a basic 18v drill? The US site doesn't list any specs, but the EU site does.

http://www.milwaukeetool.eu/powertools/cordless/m18-crad/
 
sae said:
I'm not an electrician so I have never used the hole hawg, but is it really that impressive?

The form factor is of course great for drilling between joists, but on paper, it's not putting out much more torque than a basic 18v drill? The US site doesn't list any specs, but the EU site does.

http://www.milwaukeetool.eu/powertools/cordless/m18-crad/
I think that is exactly what I was saying when I said "The M18 Hole Hawg is no more powerful than the 1200 inch pound Makita and Milwaukee high end 18v drills but is optimized for doing lots of holes quickly by someone used to working with that style drill. It is single speed and doesn't have the lower speeds that those drills do so may not even drill as big a hole maximum. It was built to be use by someone being paid by the job to get it done efficiently."
I didn't find the specs and am glad you found them on the other site. I just know it FELT the same power as the big Makita and Milwaukee 1200 inch pound drills. It is single purpose with a single speed and 0-1200 RPM so optimized for blazing through holes under an inch. Also the configuration is more single purpose. Not what you want for general drilling but perfect for its intended purpose.

Are you confusing where I said "I played with the M18 Super Hawg last week. It is impressive."  Milwaukee info here: https://www.milwaukeetool.com/press-releases/milwaukee-m18-fuel-super-hawg-powers-through-6-holes
It is much larger and much more expensive. Also high speed of 0-950 rpm and low speed of 0-350 rpm with a clutch. You can see the motor is double the size of the M18 Hole Hawg and there are big screw holes for a big side handle on either side.

Hole Hawg and Super Hawg are similar but different drills. 7.5amps vs 15amps I think.
 
I have the 7A Dewalt DW120K stud/joist right angle drill.  Get it by Friday for $170 at Amazon!  I've used it to cut holes with spades, 2-1/2" Forstners, and 6" hole saws.  Super adjustable.  Very powerful.
 
marmot said:
I haven't used the Milwaukee that's being referenced here, but I can say the PDC 18/4 Quadrive will be more than enough tool.  The genius behind it is it basically has 4 gears similar to a manual transmission in a car - the lower the gear the more torque you have.  The higher the gear the higher the speed.  It also beeps at you when you've reached the torque limit in the current gear, to tell you to move down a gear for more punch.  It's quite the drill - the kit I purchased also has the right angle chuck and the perpendicular handle for stability and more leverage.  The noise the drill makes at full tilt through a Kreg jig is positively sadistic.  That's not even discussing that you also get the hammer mode (or 'percussion' as Festool calls it).

The new version comes with the 5.2 a/h battery, which lasts forever as well - I basically used it throughout this past weekend and never put in the second battery once.  It's still sitting in the charger and the original battery is snapped into place and when I checked the battery level it was still at 3/4's charge.

I can't say enough good things about this machine.  If I was offered a clean switch between the PDC 18/4 and my dad's Lithium Ion cordless Makita hammer drill, I'd take mine all day.  I used to think the makita would put hair on your palms, but it's not nearly as beastly as the PDC 18/4.

Can't say more!

My PDC 18/4 is the best drill I ever had.

Already sold all my Bosch and Dewalt drills.
 
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