EZ Stuff

[Dino]

Hi Dino,

Nice to see someone stand behind their product like this! Looks like a well thought out design!

Victor

Thanks Victor.

 

[Dino]

Hi there Dino,

Seems odd seeing you here.  Great to see the limits that you are willing to go to support your system!! I wish that other vendors would follow your lead! (Note: not a reference to Festool or Festool vendors; I believe they do a good job).

Anyway, I am a big supporter/user of the Festool system. I started out though, using the EZ system. I can say without hesitation, that EZ is a great system and definitely has a place among the elite of rail systems.

After watching some of the recent EZ vidoes, it certainly appears that your system is developing very nicely. Keep up the nice work, and pumping out the great products!!!

Your work is a win/win situation in my eyes. The EZ system users get great products, and Festool gets competition. Competition forces Festool to stay on its toes and continue development to stay on top.

Thanks Ray.

 

[johnsonri]

Wouldn't it be prudent to take this discussion to your own forum at Sawmill Creek, rather than continuing it here?

David,

I see your point, but this particular board is labeled, 'Way Off-Topic'. Personally, I was pleasantly surprised to see Dino pop up here.

It seems that one could tell the poster of any topic on this particular board, to go to a more content appropriate site:
Bob Swenson recent posted about Raisins and Gin.

Following your lead, couldn't someone go, "Bob, wouldn't it be more prudent to take this discussion to Holistic medicine.com?" 

or

to Bill Wyko, regarding his post, The President of the United States...,
"Bill, wouldn't it be more prudent to take this discussion to the fox.com or CNN political forums?" 

I think that the Way Off-Topic board is a good diversion with a hugely diverse set of topics. But, every topic here could have a response, "Buddy, wouldn't it be more prudent to take this discussion to XXXX"

This board is "...like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get."  

 

[Daviddubya]

Wouldn't it be prudent to take this discussion to your own forum at Sawmill Creek, rather than continuing it here?

David,

I see your point, but this particular board is labeled, 'Way Off-Topic'. Personally, I was pleasantly surprised to see Dino pop up here.

It seems that one could tell the poster of any topic on this particular board, to go to a more content appropriate site:
Bob Swenson recent posted about Raisins and Gin.

Following your lead, couldn't someone go, "Bob, wouldn't it be more prudent to take this discussion to Holistic medicine.com?" 

or

to Bill Wyko, regarding his post, The President of the United States...,
"Bill, wouldn't it be more prudent to take this discussion to the fox.com or CNN political forums?" 

I think that the Way Off-Topic board is a good diversion with a hugely diverse set of topics. But, every topic here could have a response, "Buddy, wouldn't it be more prudent to take this discussion to XXXX"

Rey,

I have nothing against Dino being here.  I think Dino would agree that he and I have had a good relationship.  I do think it is inappropriate for him to be publishing his phone number and promoting his products here.  After all, he owns the company.

I do not think your examples are anything close to Dino's posts.  It is one thing to be off topic, and yet another far different thing to be a company owner posting what amounts to product promotions on a forum that focuses on a competitors products.

 

[dltflt]

David,
Mike Goetzke was trying to help me out with my problem initially then Dino just popped in on the situation.  I appreciate the help from everyone.  I am really bad about reading instructions especially when the tool appears to be so simple.  I will take this problem to Dino and off FOG now that I know there is someone to talk to.

 

[Dino]

It is one thing to be off topic, and yet another far different thing to be a company owner posting what amounts to product promotions on a forum that focuses on a competitors products.[/quote]

David,
The original post was the reason that I posted here...
to defend my products and my safety practices from ...
this forum.

Dino Makropoulos
Owner of Eurekazone inc.
53 national road.
Edison NJ. 08817.
My cell: 732-259-9984.

Thanks David.

 

[johnsonri]

It is one thing to be off topic, and yet another far different thing to be a company owner posting what amounts to product promotions on a forum that focuses on a competitors products.

David,

Point taken...respect to phone number  :-X

 

[Chris Billman]

I have nothing against Dino being here.  I think Dino would agree that he and I have had a good relationship.  I do think it is inappropriate for him to be publishing his phone number and promoting his products here.  After all, he owns the company.

I do not think your examples are anything close to Dino's posts.  It is one thing to be off topic, and yet another far different thing to be a company owner posting what amounts to product promotions on a forum that focuses on a competitors products.

I disagree (isn't the interweb great?  ).  I've never used the EZ, and I've had my F rails for less than a month, but I think Dino should be welcome here to correct what he perceives as inaccuracies about his products.  That seems fair.  He could of course take it much farther and become a nuisance, but I don't see this thread as crossing that line.

--Chris

 

[vteknical]

I frankly did not see anything wrong with Dino posting here.  It appears as soon as someone posts content that is a perceived Festool competitor the Forum police come out to restore the balance.

Are we getting overly sensitive here?

I personally think it bad manners to suggest a member go back to another Forum to post.  

Talk about creating a walking on egg shells enviroment here.

Victor

 

[mastercabman]

Do other saws plunge? Some. Do other saws have a retractable riving knife to prevent kickback? I don't know of any. He also demonstrates that to finish the cut, you must reach in next to the blade and flick the guide away. Every cut. (I'm going to call that game in favor of Festool)

All saws can plunge. Maybe not as accurate as a plunge saw but with more safety.
A front plunge saw is not always the best way to plunge.
On the other hand, a plunge saw is only good for some tasks. Not the right saw for free hand cuts
and not always the easiest and safest saw on the guide rails.

[/quote]
Sorry DINO but not all saws plunges!!!  You can adjust the depth of cut,but no plunge.
BTW,VERY DANGEROUS TO ADJUST THE DEPTH OF CUT WHILE CUTTING!!!

 

[Daviddubya]

I frankly did not see anything wrong with Dino posting here.  It appears as soon as someone posts content that is a perceived Festool competitor the Forum police come out to restore the balance.

Are we getting overly sensitive here?

I personally think it bad manners to suggest a member go back to another Forum to post.  

Talk about creating a walking on egg shells enviroment here.

Victor

Did I say there was something wrong with Dino posting here?

A "perceived Festool competitor"?  Perceived???  Give me a break!  I bet Dino is laughing at that one.

"Bad manners"?  Is Daddy going to give me a time out now?

If you think what I said constitutes a "walking on eggshells environment", you are way overly sensitive.  Now who is acting like the Forum police?

 

[Bob Swenson]

I don't think this post should be in Way Off Topic.

The original post was made by Eli in Nov. of 07
and Gino pops up in July of 08.

Eli should have  posted in tools and things.

Don't you people know this is a Raisin & Gin area.

Subjects like drinking linseed oil for your health, and

the virtuous  of using Worcestershire sauce, or

the advantage of passive solar hot water systems,

Or should Limeys  be using limes in their Larger,

are appropriate for The Way Off Topic discussions.

But not EZ what-you-call-its.

Bob

 

[vteknical]

Did I say there was something wrong with Dino posting here?

Of course not, you merely suggested he pack up  and go back where he came from.

 

[Woodenfish]

Hi Bob,

Try an ice filled glass of 1/2 lemonade and top it off with iced tea, aka an Arnold Palmer. Much more refreshing on a hot summer day than drinking linseed oil. ;D

 

[Daviddubya]

Did I say there was something wrong with Dino posting here?

Of course not, you merely suggested he pack up  and go back where he came from.

How about rereading my post?  Or better yet, I'll do it for you:

Hi Dino,

Wouldn't it be prudent to take this discussion to your own forum at Sawmill Creek, rather than continuing it here?

Does that sound like "pack up and go back where he came from"?

 

[Bob Swenson]

Woodenfish,

Linseed oil is made from flax seeds

Cold pressed flax seed oil is very high in omega 3

I take it in hopes that I will reach 84

I like it with a cold beer chaser but I take it in

the morning and the Frau says nix on that.

Will Gin go well with that tea drink, I can drain the raisins.

Bob

 

[jaegerhund]

Flax seed oil is good but ground flax seed (fresh) is the "bee's knees".    Goes good with all kinds of stuff ---- including vanilla ice cream ---and I mean gooooood!.  I think I'll get some and enjoy while watching this EZ/Festool sparr ------ keep it professional fellas, and hands up at all times. 

Justin

 

[Per Swenson]

Hey kids!

Hey Dino, whats up?

Let me help everybody out here, for the new people,

there is a long running internet jousting match that occurs whenever

EZ and Festool meet on the tubes. Think the latest nonsense around here

is fun to watch? Well, this gets going you ain't seen nothing yet.

Never mind my Old Geezer confusing linseed oil and sterno,

this is exactly where this topic belongs.

Now.  Because I am sucked in again, and before my daddy sez something silly,

I give you (for what its worth) the official opinion of Swenson & Swenson.

Dino is a genuine nice guy who means well and manufactures a product that works as advertised.

I have met Dino, and he is from New Jersey and he did not give me a free rail for that endorsement.

We are Americans dang it and believe every body has the right and obligation to make a buck.

With that in mind, we here at Swenson and Swenson, sometimes ridicule Dinos marketing methods.

Privately of course. Sometimes mistaking his pitch for "Girls Gone Wild" and "Head On" advertising campaigns,

or 7pm telemarketers. But as they say in the Sopranos, "with all due respect, we mean that in a nice way"

See, I have to give Dino a lot of credit, if I was bashed unfairly as much as Dino and his product is on the intertoobs.

I don't think I could continue with the same resiliency.

Lets review.  Dino is a nice guy. Dino makes a similar product, and Dino needs to make a buck.

The off topic forum is perfect to avoid controversy.

Does the Festool community as a whole wish to be imaged as some kind of Talibanical movement.?

Heck no.  I am all for detente.

Per

 

[Eli]

I originally posted these comments in another thread entirely. They were my thoughts on watching a product video. I had no idea at the time there was a big deal already, every time the subject was breached. To be fair, I've seen more arguing about whether or not the two should be discussed than actual discussion in the past year. I think as long as nobody gets personal, we can handle this.

Anyway, it seems like the more recently linked videos are promoting almost a different product! A lot of the points I raised in the initial post don't seem to be relevant anymore. So nice work innovating Dino, glad you're still moving ahead. I think I'd still not likely trade rail systems. I don't have to justify my purchase because EZ Smart or Repeater or EZ clamp or whatever iteration it is, still isn't distributed in Australia. If you want to chuck one in the mail and send it down for a review, I know people love a more economical alternative to Festool down here, I'll give it an impartial review, Festool bias notwithstanding.

 

[Tinker]

Bob S.,
Back in the 40's, i had a neighbor who swore by vinegar and molasses with a spot o' lemon and well fortified with scotch. Heated up and it did wonders for just about anything.  As a matter of fact, the concoction has pulled me thru many a malady of my own. 

i do admit that linseed oil, altho i have never tried, does smell almost good enuff to drink.  do you like it hot or cold?
Tinker