Face frame units

[joiner1970]

Great progress reports, good to see the different steps along the way.

Where do you get your MR MDF from, just out of curiosity?

Cheers Tom, I got this lot from a small local merchants. He did me a very good price on it, cheaper than most big timber yards.

 

[joiner1970]

Finished off cutting up all the rails and stiles for the doors today. The kapex is excellent for accurately cutting everything to length. The length stops on the wings are absolutely spot on with no play.

I got round to clamping one door up. Why is it they go together great when dry fitting and as soon as you put the glue on it all goes wrong lol. Think I will make a jig up tomorrow so glue up is less stressful

 

[tom46]

Oh right i see.

I'm based just outside London and only used wickes or builder depot just not sure if the quality is the same.

 

[joiner1970]

Oh right i see.

I'm based just outside London and only used wickes or builder depot just not sure if the quality is the same.

Ohhh no lol

The diy sheds sell furry rubbish. If you want anything decent look out for medite MDF.

Where abouts are you as I'm just outside London too. I might be able to recommend a supplier

 

[jimbouk]

I just wrote a post all about that then deleted it. Basically what joiner said lol.

 

[Dbn107]

Just curious if its common practice in the UK to make 5 piece doors with mdf for the rails and stiles?  The only time I've seen them here were 1 piece doors with routered profiles. 

 

[jimbouk]

Yes it's quite normal. Main advantage is cist and the fact they are less prone to movement than natural timber rails and stiles.

 

[Wuffles]

Yes it's quite normal. Main advantage is cist and the fact they are less prone to movement than natural timber rails and stiles.

Can't use a proper hinge into the "end grain" though really can you.

 

[joiner1970]

Yes it's quite normal. Main advantage is cist and the fact they are less prone to movement than natural timber rails and stiles.

Can't use a proper hinge into the "end grain" though really can you.

No they're going on Blum hinges. If using butt hinges I would just do the rails and stiles in solid timber.

 

[Wuffles]

Yes it's quite normal. Main advantage is cist and the fact they are less prone to movement than natural timber rails and stiles.

Can't use a proper hinge into the "end grain" though really can you.

No they're going on Blum hinges. If using butt hinges I would just do the rails and stiles in solid timber.

No, I knew you were as you'd said before I think, I was just pointing out the obvious.

 

[joiner1970]

Yes it's quite normal. Main advantage is cist and the fact they are less prone to movement than natural timber rails and stiles.

Can't use a proper hinge into the "end grain" though really can you.

No they're going on Blum hinges. If using butt hinges I would just do the rails and stiles in solid timber.

No, I knew you were as you'd said before I think, I was just pointing out the obvious.

Yeah I know you knew lol

 

[WelshWood]

Oh right i see.

I'm based just outside London and only used wickes or builder depot just not sure if the quality is the same.

I know you'll be passing the cost onto the customer, but I guarantee you that you will be much better off going to a local merchant, not only the cost, but the quality is so much better!

Wickes does 18mm MRDF for £23.99, my local will do it for £19, £4.99 difference over a couple of sheets is a big difference, especially if your looking to put in a price against other firms to get work.

Can't wait to see the finished project!

~WW

 

[jonny round boy]

Yes it's quite normal. Main advantage is cist and the fact they are less prone to movement than natural timber rails and stiles.

Can't use a proper hinge into the "end grain" though really can you.

No they're going on Blum hinges. If using butt hinges I would just do the rails and stiles in solid timber.

No, I knew you were as you'd said before I think, I was just pointing out the obvious.

I've put butt hinges into the 'end grain' of MDF doors in the past, however I put dominoes in the side & fixed the screws into the (glued-in) dominoes. [big grin]

 

[joiner1970]

Getting stressed out with these doors. I've done quite a few in the past and they are a pain at glue up.

I've set up a square jig on my bench so I can get all the bits together quick but then I'm finding if its out of square slightly it won't budge. I'm gluing the panel as well as its all MDF. Wonder if I should maybe just put a dab of glue in the middle of each panel slot rather than filling the whole groove. I think filling the whole groove is locking it up so theres movement.

Any tips ???

Probably don't help I'm tired and my bloody back is playing up

 

[windmill man]

Bit of glue , just a dab, in the middle of the long and short edges  Chris

You are locking it up by filling the groove

I generally join a style and rail , feed in a panel and square the put the last rail in and square then the final style just goes straight on , generally because you have squared it twice during assembly it does not move when you slot the last style on

Hope that helps and hope the back get better soon 

 

[joiner1970]

Bit of glue , just a dab, in the middle of the long and short edges  Chris

You are locking it up by filling the groove

I generally join a style and rail , feed in a panel and square the put the last rail in and square then the final style just goes straight on , generally because you have squared it twice during assembly it does not move when you slot the last style on

Hope that helps and hope the back get better soon

Cheers mate good advice. I think I worry too much so glue too much lol

Ive been putting a rail on each end of the panel then putting the stiles on each side one at a time.

Your way sounds much better and I'll use a dab of glue for panels. They are having panel bead too so that will be glued and pinned anyway which should add to the strength.

Cheers again

 

[windmill man]

No worries they will be fine  [big grin]  Rather be doing what you are on with than todays little project

 

[joiner1970]

Oh my God what is that. Reminds me of a job I was on awhile back. It was two burned out houses. Where they had no roof for months and with all the water from the fire brigade, there were big mushrooms growing on walls.

With these doors do you reckon 30 minutes is enough clamp time ? Ive only got 2 decent bessey clamps the rest are crappy axminster ones.

 

[GarryMartin]

[member=1873]windmill man[/member] has it nailed, but if you ever find yourself using "real" wood that has some movement, these little things are awesome and ship to the UK at a reasonable cost...

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[windmill man]

That's the fruiting body of dry rot and thirty minuites should be fine
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