Festool CSX in 2020

Bran077

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Has the tool changed at all since it was introduced?  Is it still the installation drill/driver to own now that it has competition from Milwaukee and Bosch?  Just curious, I’m not invested in any particular system.
 
Other than the higher capacity batteries they introduced about 3 years ago, nothing has changed,  No brushless motor for example.
 
This is but one example where Festool lags behind in the battery tool world.

Even lowly Ryobi has brushless motors in a sub $100 drill.  No excuse really for FT to have not "improved" theirs -or- to offer other tools that run on the same battery.
 
I can see the point of wanting the cool new „brushless“ but I have been using my CXS since 2013 and it is still going strong and I love it.
I am contemplating purchasing a new and selling the old to get hold of the newer batteries, but that’s about it.
I looked at the „competition“ but I love the way the CXS handles so much that in my hand, nothing comes close. :)
 
Indeed... I am absolutely sure that a modern, brushless version of the CXS would be more powerful than the current model, but equally, I never find myself using the current model and wishing it was better.
 
Spandex said:
Indeed... I am absolutely sure that a modern, brushless version of the CXS would be more powerful than the current model, but equally, I never find myself using the current model and wishing it was better.

[thumbs up]

This. I sold my CXS and purchased the updated model with the new battery format. It's a great drill and I've never wished it to be anything other than it is. As [member=69273]Spandex[/member] notes, it doesn't need to be anything more.
 
I have really liked the Milwaukee assembly driver - bought immediately at launch.

 
I have 2 TSX and I couldnt tell you if they are the updated ones or not. What is the difference in batteries?
 
grobkuschelig said:
I can see the point of wanting the cool new „brushless“ but I have been using my CXS since 2013 and it is still going strong and I love it.
I am contemplating purchasing a new and selling the old to get hold of the newer batteries, but that’s about it.
I looked at the „competition“ but I love the way the CXS handles so much that in my hand, nothing comes close. :)

Just buy the batteries...they are compatible, AFAIK. I'm about to do that myself.
 
Had my CSX since they were introduced. Purchased the higher capacity batteries when they came out. Highly recommend the bigger batteries for longer run time. Totally love this drill as is so light weight, ergonomically perfect for me, easy to carry on my belt. It gets probably 98% of my drill use. Has more power than I expected. Can use the larger drill chucks of the bigger Festool drills if need to fit a larger drill bit.
 
morts10n said:
I have 2 TSX and I couldnt tell you if they are the updated ones or not. What is the difference in batteries?
With the TXS you are already on the new batteries.

The old CXS has batteries (1.5Ah) that went up into the handle...
 
GarryMartin said:
Spandex said:
Indeed... I am absolutely sure that a modern, brushless version of the CXS would be more powerful than the current model, but equally, I never find myself using the current model and wishing it was better.

[thumbs up]

This. I sold my CXS and purchased the updated model with the new battery format. It's a great drill and I've never wished it to be anything other than it is. As [member=69273]Spandex[/member] notes, it doesn't need to be anything more.

I hear horror stories about having to replace brushes requiring a total disassembly of the unit, not as simple as popping in the brushes like many other drills. This is why a brushless would be great.
 
morts10n said:
I have 2 TSX and I couldnt tell you if they are the updated ones or not. What is the difference in batteries?

Original 1.5Ah on the left, newer 2.6Ah on the right. What's also nice is that the base of the newer battery is wider so it's less likely to fall over.

I think Festool SHOULD upgrade the CXS, it's getting long in the tooth.  A brushless motor would increase the run time, that'd be a major improvement.

Also, I've never been happy with the maximum speed of 1300 rpm when using small drill bits (under 1/8" diameter) , those need to be spun at closer to 2000 rpm.

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To be fair, it actually says “not much more than the brushes themselves would have cost”

I’ve swapped the motor in an old CXS. It wasn’t particularly difficult and the motor was relatively cheap. Obviously brushes would be cheaper, and brushless would remove the requirement entirely.
 
All this said, does the Festool offer any benefits over its competitors?  Honestly I’m not too worried about a brushed motor even if it SHOULD be updated by now.  I believe the Bosch FlexiClick is still brushed...incidentally.  By the time I reach runtime on a brushed motor it’ll be time to buy another one anyway.

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Hi!

I can't speak about availability in NA, but Bosch's 10.8/12V FC is available as brushless by now. Although they introduced it as brushed model.

Speaking of the CXS. I love mine. I still think it has the best angle attachment available, and given the size of it - there is imho no need for any other attachments - some claim there is.

No one really knows what Festool is working on or not, but - at the time of this post - it's still Festool's one and only 10.8/12V tool and the batteries aren't useful on anything but the drill. And personally I don't see Festool ever offering a range of 10.8/12V tools that cold compete (in terms of the range of tool types offered!) with the already mentioned competitors.

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Bran077 said:
All this said, does the Festool offer any benefits over its competitors?  Honestly I’m not too worried about a brushed motor even if it SHOULD be updated by now.  I believe the Bosch FlexiClick is still brushed...incidentally.  By the time I reach runtime on a brushed motor it’ll be time to buy another one anyway.

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Bosch GSR12V-300FCB22 is the 12V brushless model offered at the same price as the Milwaukee equivalent.
 
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