Festool Precisio saws

[Stone Message]

I was not familiar with this saw.  I went online to see videos.  There is almost nothing showing it in use; but plenty showing Festool's assembly instructions.

I have had loads of people saying the same thing and hope, one day, to change that.

Peter

 

[shed9]

I was not familiar with this saw.  I went online to see videos.  There is almost nothing showing it in use; but plenty showing Festool's assembly instructions.

I have had loads of people saying the same thing and hope, one day, to change that.

Peter

Same here, hard to find info beyond how to put it together. Must admit I'm on the cusp of buying one but will probably go for the 110V as I have it my home and my workshop so not a problem for me and quite a lot cheaper.

 

[Coen]

Why do you have 110V at your home? Isn't the UK 230-GND? Do you have splitphase 115?

 

[FestitaMakool]

Woodspezi is one of the few who has a good video about the CS 50.
He also did an unboxing. He’s now a TKS owner, but recently I saw his CS 50 alongside the TKS, wonder if he kept it.
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Unboxing:=share

If you let me know what you’re looking for I can see if I can help.

 

[shed9]

Why do you have 110V at your home? Isn't the UK 230-GND? Do you have splitphase 115?

The standard UK domestic mains is indeed 230V (no split phase) but I have several transformers around the house for tools just out of necessity. I also have it permanently wired into my workshop, again to use 110V tools if need be. Sometimes you just can't get hold of the 230V version tool so I started using dual voltages and it's worked out for me. It also allows me to save a bit when the likes of Festool dealers mark down their 110V stock.

 

[shed9]

Woodspezi is one of the few who has a good video about the CS 50.
He also did an unboxing. He’s now a TKS owner, but recently I saw his CS 50 alongside the TKS, wonder if he kept it.
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Unboxing:=share

If you let me know what you’re looking for I can see if I can help.

Thanks for this, at least the subtitles work a little better on these than other vids. Interesting if he has kept both the TKS and the CS, I'd be interested why if that is the case. The TKS80 and the CS70 (in 240v) are the same price with most vendors here in the UK but the push pull option on the CS seems a more appealing aspect on the CS for me.

 

[FestitaMakool]

Indeed, the push pull feature is a real bonus. And it makes those risky cuts very safe.

[member=11196]Peter Parfitt[/member] I think you would make a splendid review of the CS 50 - you would easily couple it with your CMS accessories. Also, reviewing both the CS 50 and CS 70 would help many looking at these. The CS 50 has very innovative controls on the handle, very different from the CS 70, so these are different more than the cutting depth and size.

 

[Stone Message]

Indeed, the push pull feature is a real bonus. And it makes those risky cuts very safe.

[member=11196]Peter Parfitt[/member] I think you would make a splendid review of the CS 50 - you would easily couple it with your CMS accessories. Also, reviewing both the CS 50 and CS 70 would help many looking at these. The CS 50 has very innovative controls on the handle, very different from the CS 70, so these are different more than the cutting depth and size.

It is such a pity that I can't get into one of the dealers and do some research. I suspect my first opportunity to look at the CS50 and CS70 will be a woodworking show later in the year. I am learning more already as I has assumed that the two machines were identical in function and features apart from the motor and blade size.

If there is anyone with knowledge of both machines I would be grateful for their contribution to this thread.

Cheers.

Peter

 

[AlexThePalex]

I suspect my first opportunity to look at the CS50 and CS70 will be a woodworking show later in the year. I am learning more already as I has assumed that the two machines were identical in function and features apart from the motor and blade size.

Function of both saws is identical.

A couple of buttons are different on the CS50, that's all. The pull lever of the 50 now has the on/off switch embedded. That means the emergency red OFF button is on a part that can move away from you. I do not understand such a design decision. [scared]

The knob to releases the slot in the table for blade change is now a green knob on top of the table instead of tucked away underneath. This one is pretty hard to reach on the 70.

Another significant change is the quick change for the blade, it has a quick release nut instead of a hex bolt with reverse thread. To make this work, the CS50 blades have two extra holes besides the main arbor hole. Some people may like it. I think it is incredibly proprietary as you can now only buy blades from Festool while I can choose between 10's of thousands of different blades for my CS70, as long as they have a 30 mm hole.

 

[Stone Message]

Hi [member=5277]Alex[/member]

Many thanks for this.

On my CMS-TS I can remove the riving knife very easily so that I can do rebating. Although Festool do not recommend this I find that the spring loaded riving knife on the TS55 still operates and I am always extremely careful - using a push block in my left hand and a push stick in the right.

Can rebating be done on either the CS50 or CS70?

Peter

 

[AlexThePalex]

The riving knife of the CS70 can be locked in two positions, one where it sticks out above the blade, and one where it hides behind the blade so you can make rebates. You just push it up or down. I found no mention of this same functionality in the CS50 manual, but with the CS50 you can remove the knife with a screw.

 

[Coen]

The riving knife of the CS70 can be locked in two positions, one where it sticks out above the blade, and one where it hides behind the blade so you can make rebates. You just push it up or down. I found no mention of this same functionality in the CS50 manual, but with the CS50 you can remove the knife with a screw.

The CS50 has the same function.

 

[Stone Message]

Hi [member=5277]Alex[/member] and [member=8955]Coen[/member]

I did watch a German video but found it hard with my poor command of the language to keep up with the commentary. I did see the riving knife get pushed down but did not understand what was said nor could I see if it was below the tip of the blade.

Many thanks.

Peter

 

[Coen]

Hi [member=5277]Alex[/member] and [member=8955]Coen[/member]

I did watch a German video but found it hard with my poor command of the language to keep up with the commentary. I did see the riving knife get pushed down but did not understand what was said nor could I see if it was below the tip of the blade.

Many thanks.

Peter

It 'locks' (by springloaded ball or something) in two position; with the top just below the top of the blade and in the up position where the top dust hood can be placed completely above the blade.

 

[FestitaMakool]

You beat me to it.. Here’s a couple of photos of mine. (Note: The newer blade guard as on mine offers more protection and better dust collection. It has sliding panel, which also can be tucked away a bit when you need to)

The different positions of the riving knife (yes; click action)
And the new blade guard:

Top position:
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Recessed position:
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Blade guard:
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[FestitaMakool]

I’ll take a couple of shots of the handle later this evening. Shoving the controls and the forward position of the handle. The stop/start switch has trigger action, when you let go it stops, and it has a lock button ala other tools as jig saws. If you either push the trigger or stop button the saw stops, with brake. As Alex pointed out, the stop button is at the handle’s end, but I see no difficulties that it’s in this position. When using the pull saw function you normally start and stop the saw in one action by pushing and releasing the trigger, just as any drill or any other power tool.

 

[GarryMartin]

The CS50 has the same function.

Is that on the newer models? My CS 50 doesn't have this function.

 

[AlexThePalex]

[member=71478]FestitaMakool[/member], why does the bladeguard have two knobs?

 

[Stone Message]

Hi [member=71478]FestitaMakool[/member]

Many thanks for those pictures. It may sound trivial but the ability to do rebates safely has influenced all of my table saw choices. The CMS-TS was what I thought the only Festool option but now I really am convinced that the Precisio has everything that I need.

Also, many thanks to everyone else for pointing me in the right direction.

Peter

 

[Coen]

The CS50 has the same function.

Is that on the newer models? My CS 50 doesn't have this function.

No, one from 10+ years ago. It is quite stiff though.