Festool TID 18 - Product Overview

[FestitaMakool]

To add to what Oliver said.
It surprises me a little bit that Germany haven’t been introduced to impact drivers.
It does appear what material the building industry uses. In Norway, the predominant material is wood (not commercial buildings). The impact driver has been all around with contractors and private use for many years and is a well established tool.

Dominant brands are Bosch, Makita, DeWalt and Metabo (Metabo also having a very small market share) Milwaukee is nearly not visible, and you’ll have to look for dealers that carry Milwaukee.

Festool is almost as invisible as Milwaukee, but this is down to the distributor.
From what I read about TID’d launch, was that it would be competitively priced. No..
Would you buy TID, bare tool (Basic) for $450-500?
When you can buy equal, and even better equipped competitors with high quality and at least the same torque at a price half of what the TID cost (the price above is even with “discount” [mad]) - Don’t ask... [huh]

There’s nothing wrong with the TID in my mind, it seems like a very good impact. But there’s nothing more to it to pay dividends for FT name.

Why you get so good pricing on the TID (And indeed the STM 1800) is strange. Or should it be the other way around?  [big grin] [big grin]

 

[Cheese]

Milwaukee is merely a niche brand over here. Yes, people doing research for tools online will take it into consideration/ come across it, others not so much. I have never come across tradespeople (except those actively using the internet, manufacturer forums, (...) using Milwaukee. So as good and innovative as their products are, they are not wide spread.

That's funny...as AEG has been a manufacturer for all types of Milwaukee tools for years. All the early Milwaukee 14v & 18v cordless tools were manufactured by AEG. I also own a 4" Milwaukee belt sander that says "Made in Germany by AEG". AEG also set up a manufacturing facility in Connecticut to produce tools for Milwaukee.

So, while AEG is widely known & respected in Germany...Milwaukee is not.  [smile]

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[six-point socket II]

I really don't want to drift off to far on a thread about Peter's TID 18 video. ...

But:

The "widely respected" AEG that you are talking about [member=44099]Cheese[/member] is long gone. I "inherited" a percussion drill from that time, I drilled my first holes in masonry with it under my dad's supervision. My grandfather had the same, got it as a gift when my dad got his. That's AEG. Everything that came after, let's say mid nineties the latest, has nothing to do with what once was AEG. That name has been through the wringer (sold, re-sold, bought ...)

Yes, the company holding the Milwaukee name/brand, does hold the AEG name/brand as well. But that's all there is to it from todays view of someone who has a real AEG machine. Same goes for Atlas-Copco by the way.

Back in the (mid) nineties (and of course prior to that) AEG was still to be found on the shelves. Today, maybe in the discount area in front of the registers.

And people not in "our bubble" won't even make the connection between AEG and Milwaukee.

AEG is not a typical brand you'd find with tradespeople over here in todays world.

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[FestitaMakool]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] and [member=61712]six-point socket II[/member]
Yes, I’ve heard that AEG “now is” Milwaukee - but as Oliver says, the old AEG’s was a tank-like Festool system.
I have an AEG sander module laying here, which couples with an AEG drill to make it a sander [cool]
One of our old AEG’s is still around - I used to polish my cars with it, because; it had low end torque AND torque compensated speed control. Arrest me if wrong, but I recall AEG was one of the first to offer electronics of this kind on many of their machines. It is/was outstanding.

 

[LDBecker]

Thank you, Peter, for another helpful review. You're one of my go-to sources for Festool reviews.

I got the TID-18/PDC-18 combo kit this week (Thanks, Don at Anderson Plywood!), and am really pleased. The PDC-18 drilled into 60 year old concrete with no drama (Tapcon concrete bit/screws) and the TID-18 drove them in smoothly. I had an older T-18 drill and had always missed the hammer part of the drill from my old Makita 18v drill. The PDC-18 is a great update for me - especially with the new, lighter BT batteries, and the new style systainer is nice. MUCH more power/torque, too. Very happy with the purchase.

 

[Cheese]

I really don't want to drift off to far on a thread about Peter's TID 18 video. ...

But:

The "widely respected" AEG that you are talking about [member=44099]Cheese[/member] is long gone.

Hey [member=18040]Oliver[/member] correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we're talking about the same "widely respected" AEG as the belt sander was purchased 20 years ago and the 4 drills were purchased 17 years ago. The cordless drills still work fine along with their batteries.  [big grin] [cool]