First Aid Systainer

[pettyconstruction]

Wayne...WOW...produced 2 different kits. The 1st one was in a full sized Systainer and incorporated almost everything from a bone saw to an iron lung.

His 2nd iteration was in a mini Systainer and it was correlated closer to the accidents that one might sustain in a typical shop environment.

I purchased one of the later because I already own a bone saw...there is lots of good info in the WOW thread on the specific items included in both of these kits.

I ended up getting both , the big one is in the shop/garage and small one in the truck.
Charlie

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Sounds like your good to go for cuts to Polio outbreaks in the garage.  Well prepared, good man.

Yep, I can treat a village with the big one . Lol

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[Cheese]

It mentions that ISO has a standard of green background and white cross for first aid.  However in the USA I'm most familiar with white kits with red cross (generic) or a red kit with white cross (life guard?). 

Here's a Festool version that's probably at least 8 years old.

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And here's the WOW mini version.

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[Paul G]

Since these will be a commercial product, be aware of trademarks. For example a red cross on white would be a problem.

 

[Systainer.Store]

Since these will be a commercial product, be aware of trademarks. For example a red cross on white would be a problem.

Yes, yes - of course. 

Another thought I was exploring last night was to get high quality die cut stickers and an all red systainer.  This would be instead of printing directly on the systainer.  It may be lower cost.  Any opinion one way or the other?

 

[peter halle]

Stickers can work well with the right adhesive.  These images were of stickers made to cure botched printing.  Labels were over laminated with durable plastic film.  The adhesive type shown on the back is tenacious and after about 2 seconds is near impossible to remove from a systainer pre wiped with alcohol.

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Peter

 

[Cheese]

The adhesive type shown on the back is tenacious and after about 2 seconds is near impossible to remove from a systainer pre wiped with alcohol.

As an ex 3M'er in the tape division, that adhesive was specifically made for low energy surfaces such as plastics. It's an acrylic adhesive with a very high initial bond strength. Better yet though, is the bond strength will become even higher over time.  It goes through kind of an on-product curing process.  [big grin]

 

[bertv]

I own a First Aid systainer sold by GereedschapPro, over here in the Low Countries:https://www.[insert name of company as mentioned above, no space].nl/artikel/10000/medi-tainer-de-ehbo-doos-voor-de-zzp-er-en-klusser.html

Its contents have been curated by woodworkers and care professionals. The list is in Dutch of course, but auto-translate should be able to make sense for you non-Dutch speakers.

Modified because url of website banned...

 

[ColossusX]

Couldn't we just use the standard mini with the replacement red mini tloc latch? Lee Valley has the red in stock.

 

[Cheese]

Well FWIW...here's what a mini sustainer will hold.

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And here's a list of the individual items.

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And remember, some of these items have a shelf life, so unless your vocation in life is to service an entire village like [member=9356]pettyconstruction[/member] aspires... [poke]  less may be more.

 

[Systainer.Store]

I like these examples.  This is helpful.

If we used a SYS-I, I was thinking there would be enough room for PPE items as well.  Gloves, safety glasses, ear plugs, etc.  In which care it is more than first aid, more of a care kit.

 

[sprior]

I've wanted a first aid kit for my shop for quite a while, but when I look at the first aid kit options on Amazon they generally have lots of stuff which don't seem applicable to a basement workshop.  I don't need drugs like aspirin, don't need bear repellent, Mylar blankets, or other outdoor stuff and if you included a bone saw I'd probably make finger joints with it.  But splinter care, various bandages, maybe some burn stuff, eye care, and look what I cut off with my table/band/chop saw stuff would be very useful.

 

[GoingMyWay]

But splinter care, various bandages, maybe some burn stuff, eye care, and look what I cut off with my table/band/chop saw stuff would be very useful.

I seem to have soft delicate skin on my hands that just attracts splinters.  I practically get a splinter just by looking at a piece of wood.  I've personally found the best thing to remove splinters is a lancet (like diabetics use to prick their fingers to test their blood) and a good pair of tweezers.  I like the lancets since they have a very sharp point, they're sterile, and I just pop the cap back on and throw it away when I'm done.

 

[cpw]

I like these examples.  This is helpful.

If we used a SYS-I, I was thinking there would be enough room for PPE items as well.  Gloves, safety glasses, ear plugs, etc.  In which care it is more than first aid, more of a care kit.

I would not want to mix my every day gloves, safety glasses, etc. that are going to get dirty in with a first aid kit which I would want to stay clean and generally unopened.

 

[Cheese]

I would not want to mix my every day gloves, safety glasses, etc. that are going to get dirty in with a first aid kit which I would want to stay clean and generally unopened.

Good point...very good point.

 

[sprior]

I second that idea - the first aid kit is NOT stuff you use for any other purpose besides a medical issue/emergency.  These are not every day supplies and frankly ones which you'd rather be a total waste and never use.  The only non-urgent time you go in there is to replace expired stuff.

 

[Systainer.Store]

I would not want to mix my every day gloves, safety glasses, etc. that are going to get dirty in with a first aid kit which I would want to stay clean and generally unopened.

Good point...very good point.

Second that, well stated.

 

[Cheese]

These are not every day supplies and frankly ones which you'd rather be a total waste and never use.

Amen...  I’d happily jettison all these items every few years if I never had to use them. It’s just another form of insurance.

In the 4-5 years I’ve owned the WOW mini, I’ve used 1 bandage and some ointment. It was still money well spent but it does give you a window into the practicality of including a bone saw and a de-fib.

 

[DeformedTree]

Bear repellent seems reasonable to me!

Bone saw? no thanks, thats why sawzaws are for, key is to use diablo blades, the red paint rubbing off will blend right in with these cuts.

I think folks bring up good point about spoilage (I put a medical student in a kit once, kid spoiled on me in like 2 days  [mad]). Also keeping things focused on wood shops, so focus on cuts (some very bad), splinters, eye washes, chemical burns and such would make more sense. Also trying to make the kit as usable as can be with one hand is important, since the person in need is likely to be the one accessing the kit, so one hand stuff would be a good plan.

If it never gets used, all the better.  Look at it as owning one is jinxing your chance at having an accident.

 

[Koamolly]

Bear repellent seems reasonable to me!

Bone saw? no thanks, thats why sawzaws are for, key is to use diablo blades, the red paint rubbing off will blend right in with these cuts.

I think folks bring up good point about spoilage (I put a medical student in a kit once, kid spoiled on me in like 2 days  [mad]). Also keeping things focused on wood shops, so focus on cuts (some very bad), splinters, eye washes, chemical burns and such would make more sense. Also trying to make the kit as usable as can be with one hand is important, since the person in need is likely to be the one accessing the kit, so one hand stuff would be a good plan.

If it never gets used, all the better.  Look at it as owning one is jinxing your chance at having an accident.
[/quotez]

But now that you said that, don’t you jinx the jinx?  And now that I said this...

 

[Bob D.]

That might be a good move as it puts your eyes in the box much more often than if it was FA stuff alone (hopefully at least). If there were nothing but FA items inside you wouldn't have much cause to eyeball it's contents.

Doing so on a regular basis might remind you to check the expiration dates on certain items and you'll have a visual snapshot of your inventory which may prompt you to reorder something you've used up or stock is low.