Help me spend 4k

Jmaichel

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i have been woodworking on and off for the last 3 years and have kind of been all over the place but now I am ready to fully commit and have some money to buy some tools. I work in the 3/4 of a 1 car garage with only 110v. I would intend to build bookcases, cabinets and some furniture pieces. After this 4k is gone it will be at least another year before  I have more money to spend. I am not big fan of one tool at a time i like to rip the rip the band aid off quick method. Does not have to be all Festool but it can be. I have had a TS55 before and found that it was not very suitable for hardwoods so I thinking table saw and TS55 or TS75. I am going to place an order very soon, do you know if any of the dealers offer free two shipping or reduced two day or overnight shipping on festool items. Thanks!
James
 
several dealers on here offer free shipping. (bob,sean,etc )

table saw dw745
planer dw735
ts55+extra blades +extra rails
ets150
domino500+domino assonrtment
trion jigsaw
of1010 router+accesories
midi vac+36mmm hose
kapex
some kind of jointer
cxs drill

enjoy
probably more that 4000$ but you have to start somewhere. and do what every one of us does . as soon as you buy a tool off your list put another on there straight away.
 
I highly recommend Tom Belmare at Toolhome.com. I had great experiences with his knowledge of Festool and is really willing to take the time to explain all the features and details of the product. Which is VERY important with Festool products..I think he could provide some great guidance for you. 

He's here on FOG, look him up. And no, I am not paid for this, just someone who appreciates good service when I am spending top $$.

http://www.tool-home.com/products/catalog/index.php?manufacturers_id=60
 
I will add, if you get any 55" rails, pay the extra 5 dollars for the "holy" version.  This way if you ever decide to use the LR32 system later on you are not repurchasing rails you already have (you will kick yourself for saving $5 then spending another $120).  Especially since you mention bookshelves and cabinets, you may notice the versatility of this system.

Daniel
 
My experience is that a very solid ( not a contractor saw ) is the foundation for a woodworking shop. I think a 110 volt table saw will be highly unsatisfactory. There just isn't enough power to handle anything but the lightest work. The saw's fence is also highly critical. A crummy fence can turn a good table saw into a useless piece of junk. With the table saw you will need a powerful dust extractor. Shop vacs are not adequate. If the dust extractor won't handle a 4" hose, it isn't sufficient.

I'd suggest using some of the cash to run 230volts into your shop area and buying a good used Powermatic table saw. There are some good Delta Unisaw deals out there as well

The next two things I would buy are an 8" jointer and a planer. Again, there are good used units out there. Helical head jointers and planers are far superior to the straight knife models.

The first Festool product I would buy is a Domino. It totally changes joinery.

A Festool 1400 router would be next in the plan followed closely by a Festool drill.

A Kapex miter saw would be the next addition. But, you need a really powerful vac to pair with the Kapex or you will be overcome with saw dust.
 
Hey James,

Having moved away and moved back again in the span of 15 months, I found that my Festools were the easiest items to pack up and move with me.  Doesn't your employer relocate you every three years?  [scared] 

Just food for thought.  [cool]
 
Well it's over 4K but this is what I would get if I would have to start all over.  

Ctmidi  Kapex package      $1,811.50
                                                                         
MFT/3  TS55 package        $1,257.50

Ct26  OF1400 package     $1,045.50

CXS   set                           $295.00

RO  125                             $455.00

Domino 500 set                $900.00
                                        --------------
                       totals      $5,764.50    

You could get away with just one CT vacuum.  But after a while of changing the hose from one tool to the other, it gets old fast.

Plus guide rails, clamps, sandpaper, Parallel guides and on and on and on........It will never stop  [tongue]

Any chance you could add  2k to your budget?   [poke]

Please check back in with us and let us know what you pick up.    

Eric

 

 
Corwin said:
Hey James,

Having moved away and moved back again in the span of 15 months, I found that my Festools were the easiest items to pack up and move with me.  Doesn't your employer relocate you every three years?   [scared] 

Just food for thought.   [cool]

almost but I will be in WA for at least another three years. Thanks for reminding me about that I almost forgot that I am going to have to move all this stuff at least twice more and I restricted to certain weight requirements.

James
 
Do you have any other tools, clamps, etc... or are you buying everything from the start?  I would by a TS75 and MFT/3 and a sander/CT 26 or CT36 dust extractor as my first purchases.  I would then add a router and Domino to the mix followed by a drill -- I personally like the T style drills, but a C style works just as well functionally.  You have to account for accessories in your purchase so sandpaper, dominos, blades, clamps, router accessories, etc... can eat up a lot of money quickly...the accessories is one thing that really sets Festool a part IMHO.  I would also endorse the Parallel Guides for parallel rips if you are not going to get a tablesaw.  I would buy a jigsaw too and the new Carvex model is supposed to be released mid-year so this is something that you might want to hold off on buying if you can until the Carvex arrives.  The Trion gets solid reviews too and it is at a lower price point. 

Have fun!

Scot
 
Birdhunter said:
My experience is that a very solid ( not a contractor saw ) is the foundation for a woodworking shop. I think a 110 volt table saw will be highly unsatisfactory. There just isn't enough power to handle anything but the lightest work. The saw's fence is also highly critical. A crummy fence can turn a good table saw into a useless piece of junk. With the table saw you will need a powerful dust extractor. Shop vacs are not adequate. If the dust extractor won't handle a 4" hose, it isn't sufficient.

I'd suggest using some of the cash to run 230volts into your shop area and buying a good used Powermatic table saw. There are some good Delta Unisaw deals out there as well

The next two things I would buy are an 8" jointer and a planer. Again, there are good used units out there. Helical head jointers and planers are far superior to the straight knife models.

The first Festool product I would buy is a Domino. It totally changes joinery.

A Festool 1400 router would be next in the plan followed closely by a Festool drill.

A Kapex miter saw would be the next addition. But, you need a really powerful vac to pair with the Kapex or you will be overcome with saw dust.
strongly agree with birdhunter . A good cabinet saw is absolutely priority #1. Powermatic & delta unisaw are great,or I might look into a new Canadian made General. It's realistic that you could get 220v to garage,buy good 1phase cabinet table saw,buy used planer /joiner, for your budget of $4000.
 
Guilliaume woodworks said:
Birdhunter said:
My experience is that a very solid ( not a contractor saw ) is the foundation for a woodworking shop. I think a 110 volt table saw will be highly unsatisfactory. There just isn't enough power to handle anything but the lightest work. The saw's fence is also highly critical. A crummy fence can turn a good table saw into a useless piece of junk. With the table saw you will need a powerful dust extractor. Shop vacs are not adequate. If the dust extractor won't handle a 4" hose, it isn't sufficient.

I'd suggest using some of the cash to run 230volts into your shop area and buying a good used Powermatic table saw. There are some good Delta Unisaw deals out there as well

The next two things I would buy are an 8" jointer and a planer. Again, there are good used units out there. Helical head jointers and planers are far superior to the straight knife models.

The first Festool product I would buy is a Domino. It totally changes joinery.

A Festool 1400 router would be next in the plan followed closely by a Festool drill.

A Kapex miter saw would be the next addition. But, you need a really powerful vac to pair with the Kapex or you will be overcome with saw dust.
strongly agree with birdhunter . A good cabinet saw is absolutely priority #1. Powermatic & delta unisaw are great,or I might look into a new Canadian made General. It's realistic that you could get 220v to garage,buy good 1phase cabinet table saw,buy used planer /joiner, for your budget of $4000.

Adding 220, purchasing a "powerful" dust extractor along with a Powermatic table saw, 8" jointer and planer may all sound nice, but totally unrealistic for someone that is limited to three-quarters of a single car garage for a shop.  Better to keep it much, much simpler, at least for now.  A Festool equipped shop with possibly a bench-top planer is probably all you could handle until you get a larger space, and may prove to be all you will ever really need.  Big stationary tools with their big demands would be a mistake in your limited space and may be more than you would require as a hobbyist.  It is not like you will be doing production cabinetry.  So, keep it realistic and save some of that money for some wood...
 
Corwin said:
Guilliaume woodworks said:
Birdhunter said:
My experience is that a very solid ( not a contractor saw ) is the foundation for a woodworking shop. I think a 110 volt table saw will be highly unsatisfactory. There just isn't enough power to handle anything but the lightest work. The saw's fence is also highly critical. A crummy fence can turn a good table saw into a useless piece of junk. With the table saw you will need a powerful dust extractor. Shop vacs are not adequate. If the dust extractor won't handle a 4" hose, it isn't sufficient.

I'd suggest using some of the cash to run 230volts into your shop area and buying a good used Powermatic table saw. There are some good Delta Unisaw deals out there as well

The next two things I would buy are an 8" jointer and a planer. Again, there are good used units out there. Helical head jointers and planers are far superior to the straight knife models.

The first Festool product I would buy is a Domino. It totally changes joinery.

A Festool 1400 router would be next in the plan followed closely by a Festool drill.

A Kapex miter saw would be the next addition. But, you need a really powerful vac to pair with the Kapex or you will be overcome with saw dust.
strongly agree with birdhunter . A good cabinet saw is absolutely priority #1. Powermatic & delta unisaw are great,or I might look into a new Canadian made General. It's realistic that you could get 220v to garage,buy good 1phase cabinet table saw,buy used planer /joiner, for your budget of $4000.

Adding 220, purchasing a "powerful" dust extractor along with a Powermatic table saw, 8" jointer and planer may all sound nice, but totally unrealistic for someone that is limited to three-quarters of a single car garage for a shop.  Better to keep it much, much simpler, at least for now.  A Festool equipped shop with possibly a bench-top planer is probably all you could handle until you get a larger space, and may prove to be all you will ever really need.  Big stationary tools with their big demands would be a mistake in your limited space and may be more than you would require as a hobbyist.  It is not like you will be doing production cabinetry.  So, keep it realistic and save some of that money for some wood...
good point....I overlooked the single car garage, I recommend  moving into garage and putting shop inside house.
 
My suggestion would be putting the $4K on a horse and try to at least turn it into $12K. Green in the wallet is what you lose when you start buying Festool green.

What state will your timber be in when you buy it? That really determines what you'll need first ... next is what you build with it.
 
One of the most useful things I've bought that hasn't been mentioned is a Starrett combination square. Apart from the obvious uses in which it excels, I have found it useful as a depth gauge, specifically for making identical width cuts with a TS55 on narrow stock.
 
Lots of good ideas listed already so I will make just a few simple suggestions. One, definitely consider the cost of moving. Festool equals easy move. 220v table saw not so much. Two; Since your space is limited maybe you should consider adding a popup canopy style tent
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You can set this up just outside the garage door and increase your workspace tremendously. I have one that I use occasionally. It setups up in just a few minutes and stores in a 6x6x40inch bag. This will give you a ton of room for cutting, assembly and finishing. It will move with you to your new home or if you are doing work for a friend your whole shop can be moved and setup in his or her driveway in minutes.
 
To me, the Vacuum (possibly the sanders paired with it) is the core of the Festool sytem. Start with the vac choice, and work off that. If portability is first priority the Mini or Midi is the solution, otherwise I would recommend the CT26 since it provides some level of portability with room to add on to it (boom arm etc), and lots of capacity.

From there the world is your oyster..I do tend to agree with eRocks list the most. In order of importance relative to your job priorities, I might start with the one of the TS saws, then add a Kapex, then the c12 drill, then the ETS125 sander, then the 1010 (or 1400) router, then the Domino.

To recap:

Year1:
CT26
TS 55r Saw
Kapex
ETS125
C12 set
1010/1400 Router
Domino

Year2:
Domino (if you didn't get to it)
Carvex Jigsaw
DTS 400
Systainers for storage
CXS Drill (optional)
EHL 65
CMS
Midi for Kapex (optional)

I haven't done the math, but that about blows your budget I bet. The reality is, you will need next years $$ to really get all of what you need. I would suggest asking if you can get 10% on your whole order instead of the packages. $4k is nothing to sneeze at and it's worth asking if they can apply the discount to the entire sale since your spending it all in one place, I would think. Dealer might have to ask Festool if that works.
 
Been trolling this forum for some time, your question prompts my first post as I've recently gone through the process, returning to wood after 30 years  The new technologies available are amazing, Festool system being a significant one, and the Internet being the primary one.  Suggestions below assume this is a hobby for you, not a vocation, and that you're starting pretty much from scratch.  Ask yourself what operations you need to achieve the desired results, and how can you minimize the frustration caused by errors?
- breaking down sheet goods (spend the money for baltic birch from a real lumber yard, avoid the home center stuff).  TS55 and an extra 55 inch rail with holes as previously suggested plus the connectors.  Get the package with a dust extractor, you will not believe how well it works.
- dimensioning rough lumber - you'll need to do this yourself to get stock that is straight and true.  A good jointer is required, and you don't need to spend a lot of money to get one.  Familiarize yourself with older machinery - vintagemachinery.org being the place to do it.  Keep an eye on Craigslist or even Ebay, there's plenty of decent stuff out there for as little as $125.  My personal machine is a 1950s vintage Atlas six inch, and I wouldn't trade it for a new in the box Delta.  A lunchbox thickness planer is also required, I've had excellent results with my Makita.
- ripping lumber or plywood to exact width, repeat cuts over the course of the project.  I will differ here about how much table saw you need, again older machinery can be a good choice.  There is a ton of fifty year old Craftsman (gasp!) cast iron table contractor saws on Craigslist that people just want to get out of their garage for less than $100.  These were all made by Emerson, compare favorably with new saws costing four times as much, and run on 120 volts.  Critical parts are still available, there is plenty of information on the Vintage Machinery forum about how to tune them up and replace arbor bearings if required.  Now that you've saved money on a saw, spend money on best quality blades and an accurate fence.  Take a big gulp, spend over $400 on an Incra TS-LS fence for a $100 saw, and you'll never look back. Metal tolerances when working with wood.  32 inch is fine if you have a TS55.  Yes, it takes a lot of space, but you can stack your Systainers or build a storage cabinet underneath the long end.  If you ever upgrade to a cabinet saw, the same fence fits Unisaw and Powermatic too.
- crosscutting lumber or plywood to exact dimension.  Here's where the MFT/3 and TS55 really shine.  Add QWAS dogs and you'll never throw lumber in the scrap pile because your cut wasn't square.  Much more accurate and repeatable than any miter gauge you can find or sled that you can build. 
- drill accurate holes.  A decent quality benchtop drill press can be had, new on sale or vintage, for less than $300.  There are plenty of plans on the Internet to make a good table top with a fence for any drill press you find.
- strong joinery.  Domino.  Domino.  Domino.  Unless you're making doors or gates, DF500 is more than adequate, can't say enough about how this tool has revolutionized the craft.
- cut profiles, slots or whatever.  Get two good routers, one fixed base for a router table.  If I had it to do over again, I'd go Incra for the table, as your expensive table saw fence will work as a basis for a router mounted on the end of your table saw.  Look at the YouTube Incra videos if you're concerned about losing your setup as you switch from one operation to another.  I don't have any experience with the Festool routers, but recently bought one just to get the dust extraction.
- minimize and clean up your mess.  You're not going to find an adequate dust extractor for your stationary tools that runs on 120 volts, so get a good broom, a Shop Vac, and a Dust Deputy cyclone accessory.  Without the cyclone, the filter on your shop vac will clog after five minutes of use.
- glue up your project.  You can never have enough clamps, good clamps are not cheap.  Here's another place to look at buying used, they may need some cleaning, but clamps don't wear out.
- fine tune and finish your work.  Good quality chisels, bench planes, again available used.  Clean them up and sharpen to a keen edge with wet/dry sandpaper on a piece of plate glass.  Since the recommended power tools give such excellent results, I find my most used plane is a Stanley 79 to trim grooves and dados to the exact dimension of the lumber you're working with.  Purchased a RO 125 for the dust collection and find the Festool sandpaper to be in a class by itself.  Applying a finish - a whole new discussion depending on your projects, I'll only say spend money on Purdy brushes.

Apologize for the long reply, but I wanted to share what is working so well for me.  My FOG username says it all, and the word "oops" is being used less and less as I work.

- R. Beverly
  chilly Wisconsin USA
 
Thanks again for all of the great responses. I am reluctant to buy a table saw off CL have had bad luck with that in the past, I just won't do it. If I were to get a table saw it would be a newer one with a riving knife. The TS75, CT, OF1400 and ETS are all a given. The wild cards are the MFT and the Domino, for the price of those two items I could get a decent hybrid table saw and 6" jointer, is the Domino really that much of a game changer? I also see there are several advocates for a Kapex, which would take a huge chunk of my budget.

James
 
Jmaichel said:
I also see there are several advocates for a Kapex, which would take a huge chunk of my budget.

James

Do you have a SCMS now? If anything is a game changer out of all the tools mentioned, it's the Kapex.
 
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