Home Security & one hickup.

JeremyH.

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Hey guys,

I've been beefing up the house. From what I've seen a lot of the door armor stuff works but most of it isn't much more valuable than 3" screws except in certain situations.

Essentially you want to have reinforcement to prevent blow out. So I think these are ideal to go around the deadbolt. I've seen larger ones but they have screws on the face and simply provide more pry points. You could use security screws but it still seems like a larger pry option. This smaller one stops easy blow out on the door (particularly wood doors) and gives little pry options to wiggle under. They can be put under regular door knobs as well. This is an alternative that doesn't give a pry option to the deadbolt but could be necessary in some bad areas where the people don't give up.

For locks a Grade 1 or 2 would be preferred. The ones I like after watching lots of lock picking videos are Abloy Protect2 (no one has picked) and Bowley's (maybe also unpicked). IF you aren't worried about picking these are extremely well made but I don't care much for the night latch. You can't bump key them but... not hard to pick overall. I won't tell you which I went with  8) Schlage does make a Grade 1 lock for only $160~ but I'd want to swap/modify the core for use as I think you could probably still bump it. Most other options you'd have to order from European websites.

For back/garage doors these are nice. I can tell you I've played with one and the aluminum is stout. But one reason to use it is it's harder to dislodge than a 2x4 metal hanger setup due to the top blocking pieces. This matters when you have a dog door for example. With them of course you should grab some 3" screws as well to tag studs as much as possible. And I'd still put 3" screws into the hinges and 1.5" inch screws into the door for the hinge. The rest should be reasonable secure so you don't just create a pivot point with a barricade. There are other options that can work well depending on if you have a dog door. I don't like anything that requires mounting to the door, or that wiggling hard will tend to loosen.

For garage/interior doors you may have just a simple locking door handle. Why not add something just incase? Give yourself some time to hear the intrusion if they somehow made it past the other ways. These can be placed far enough and are too hard to undo with a stick or coat hanger through a dog door IMO. There are larger and smaller ones. The larger one makes more sense to me. These are fairly easy to undo compared to larger barricades but I wouldn't trust them as much compared to a barricade or Grade 1/2 deadbolt.

Let's talk a bit about blowout at the deadbolt. If your deadbolt is only going into the jamb then it takes nothing more than a little shoulder bump to blow it out. You can't get the bolt farther. So you need to stop the blowout. There's a few options. One is a very long striker plate that tags the stud many times. From what I've seen they deform a bit when repeatedly attacked, but don't budge. There were some available that required you to remove the trim because they wrapped around the jamb and then screws went through both sides and into the stud; it was ideal except the install. What I currently think I like the most would be a different strike plate that has long posts that go into the stud. More on that in a minute.

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If you think you will never get picked/bumped you may be pretty wrong. It does happen. Intruders like it easy and to appear like they're suppose to be there. It's true it isn't the most likely way but I've found plenty of people talking about the experience. Also the door locks you buy from the store have serials that match other locks on the shelf at the time so you can put in all matching key locks but it also means it's super easy for a smart burglar to have your same key.

BEFORE you do anything on the lock side of the door you should put in long screws on the hinge side because it may change what and how you do things on the lock side.

If you use a Tuff Strike plate I recommend a Forster bit to start because the wood jambs are made of can be a bit messy. Also spend a lot of time carefully cutting and marking the template. Drilling through the template is not a good idea unless you like a big mess.

You'll want a 6" 1/8th bit for pre-drilling for long screws.

Ok but if the doors are difficult won't they just go through the window?

Maybe, but it's not ideal because anyone watching is instantly signaled something is wrong. Luckily we have a way to deter them long enough that they won't stick around for the attention. This is the most expensive part but protective film on your glass is an amazing deterrent amazing deterrent. If you do it yourself the price isn't as bad. I'm not sure the guy in the video used m3 either.

This would be wise for patio doors etc as well. Sadly they're another whole topic on how to prevent people getting through them. Film and this could help. You need to prevent several weak points many of them have. We/you can dig in deeper on that as you please.

Garage Doors sadly are another weak point weak point. There's a few ways to prevent like the zip tie, but I've literally read about people using scissors on a stick. A shield seems like the best but I'd make your own shield because this one leaves something to be desired. I'd go MUCH wider. You have to stop them from pulling that string. You can remove the handle on the string but for obvious other safety concerns you have to consider if it won't be you and man hand strength yanking on it, or knowing where the handle is at.

Garage doors are often also easily hackible if they're of a certain age. It can be done with a small toy. What do you do? Well you can make a deadman's switch where you cut the power when you sleep or leave - button up the house by exiting the front door last. There are cellphone app power device you could use for the opener or a deadbolt on the garage-door, but be prepared to pay a subscription for it.

Modern garage door openers change their codes often but burglars sometimes park and wait for you to use yours and are able to figure out a coded use to use against you at another time, so they aren't full proof either, just FYI. In fact if someone is parked that you don't know and seems sus, maybe don't use the opener till they leave.

Other ways to deter? Yes they're often better than the physical.

Large barking dogs work pretty good! But not all dogs are aggressive towards humans. For example Pitbulls are miscatagorized so often that people think they're guard dogs but they are not. German Shepard though? I wouldn't test that.

CAMERAS! These work well IF they see them. You can get ones now with WiFi that will alert you on your phone so you can get up and yell at the burglar or whatever is necessary as these motion detect. Signs that say wireless home security also turn burglars off but some are wise to fake signs/bluffs.

So why use physical if cameras are so darn good? Well again they must be seen and/or you must be around. To be more clear though while these expenses may seem like, "well I'm in a good neighborhood I'm not sure I need them" or "I have other means of protection".... Let's talk about what DOES happen when someone violates your home. There is nothing unusual about PTSD by different members of the family unit. People that do suffer break ins report that had they spent the money it would have felt trivial compared to the repercussions from the mental effects everyone endures. And in some cases be prepared to move to regain peace.

Anyways just some thoughts, wishing everyone to be safe. (Btw I'm not sure why the youtube things come up or don't in the post, not my intention)

 
One issue I'm having is I have a door I want to put a Tuff Strike into one door jam but the MORONS who built the house have the 2x4 offset too far towards the front of the house. I may be forced into a giant strike plate because of this... I'm just not sure I can tag the stud properly without creating a scenario where you must put your whole body against the door to get it to latch. (note I've put the product before, just one particular location I want to upgrade has this issue)

I certainly pity anyone that runs into these STUPID problems from idiots that build stuff incorrectly. It's very irritating when you go to do things and nothing is standard so all products, knowledge you have, and knowledge from the nets don't apply.

Another door I have the jam is done incorrectly and part of the mounting is to concrete [sad]. It doesn't ruin the whole setup but I am not interested in say having to replace a jamb that is P&L'd to concrete some day.
 
I didn’t know what a Tuff Strike was.  I looked it up.  Now I don’t understand the problem.  Can you post some images?

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https://www.tuffstrike.com/
 
If i'm understanding the issue correctly, have you thought about doing a cutout a little smaller overall than the heavy duty striker plate, and inserting a short piece of rectangular steel tubing bolted through to the frame/supports, etc as deep as you can, and then bolting the striker over the top flush with the jamb?

This would greatly reinforce the striker, while at least doubling (or quadrupling) the thickness of the steel the latch goes into, and the steel tube presents a solid mass inside the frame/support, whatever, that makes it extremely difficult to dislodge.
 
I'm not certain I follow. The wood on the jamb is weak can won't stop anyone. Here's my issue about how this was built WRONGLY. I don't know how inspectors don't catch this stuff.

 

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I think that you are looking at this the wrong way.  First, the reenforcement plate you are looking at is supposed to be installed deeper into the door frame.  Then longer and slightly thicker screws are to be installed thru the plate you have thru the front empty holes thru the frame into those studs.  Use as long a screw as you want.  Just make sure that the head countersinks properly into the reenforcement plate.  Then the decorative cover plate (that you don't look to have) is installed over the reenforcement plate with shorter screws going into the frame thru the holes where the screws are currently.

Here are a couple of screenshots from Schlage on how to install:

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Hope this helps.

Peter
 

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This is all a futile waste of time for anyone whose home has half-light entry doors.  If real security is to be achieved, building codes need to be revised to require stronger framing and doors, as well as captive hinge pins and multi-latch locking.  [mad]
 
Sparktrician said:
This is all a futile waste of time for anyone whose home has half-light entry doors.  If real security is to be achieved, building codes need to be revised to require stronger framing and doors, as well as captive hinge pins and multi-latch locking.  [mad]

When I worked for a homebuilder we always used the reenforcement plates on the deadbolts and always installed double cylinder deadbolts when they were within arm reach of glass.  Today that is frowned upon I guess because of emergency exiting requirements.

Peter
 
It totally depends on the persons level of determination and willingness to break things.
The doors can be like a safe, but if they can just go through a window, it doesn't matter.
Obvious cameras are a lot better as a deterrent andthey provide evidence if they go for it anyway.
It has been nearly 10 years, but my house was broken into twice in less than a week, so I am very in tune with the problems involved.
 
My all brick home has several fairly easy points of entry for a thief.  The glass sidelights to the front door are one.

The bay window to my living room is another.

A ladder against the rear deck (12 feet high) would be my choice.  The basement rear door is another.  The windows to the (ground floor) two guest rooms, and the rear facing windows to the second floor main bedroom round out the access areas.  None would require more than a 8 ounce ball peen hammer to defeat.

Happily, in my 26 years living here, no crimes at all (except the domestic dispute between husband and wife across the street).

That, and the fact that most people still think I have a large and competent watch dog.

If I had a teenage daughter, I would want to beef up security.  But other than that, nothing.

If I were inclined to beef up security, I would replace the doors with 16 gage steel hollow doors with 16 gage steel bucks (frames) securely attached to the framing.

14 gauge steel doors are what are generally used for home “safe rooms”.  14 and 12 gauge are used for prison systems. 

Note, a 14 gage steel door is not secure unless it has a 14 gauge steel buck.

Most steel residential doors are 18 gage, though some big box stores carry doors made from 20 gauge.  In addition to being not very secure, 18 gauge doors are easily dented.  Repairs have to be done by an auto body repair shop and it is usually cheaper to replace the door.

Steel doors are fire-rated, another advantage.
 
As a commercial locksmith I’m very aware of building vulnerabilities.  I tell customers that cameras and alarms are the only real deterrent.  If I was to break into a residential building I wouldn’t go through the doors or windows.  I’d take my cordless saw and go through a wall.  When I built my shop I installed no windows.  I put in a commercial for 18 ga out swinging door with 16 ga frame, pull handle only with a commercial deadlock and a latch guard.  I have a 10’ insulated overhead door with a power opener so the door cannot be raised without disconnecting the mechanism.  Even all this could be defeated with a cordless grinder if the property was isolated. 
 
Peter Halle said:
Sparktrician said:
This is all a futile waste of time for anyone whose home has half-light entry doors.  If real security is to be achieved, building codes need to be revised to require stronger framing and doors, as well as captive hinge pins and multi-latch locking.  [mad]

When I worked for a homebuilder we always used the reenforcement plates on the deadbolts and always installed double cylinder deadbolts when they were within arm reach of glass.  Today that is frowned upon I guess because of emergency exiting requirements.

Peter

Emergency egress codes require at least one door with a deadbolt that can be opened without a key, and that negates any perceived "value" in sidelights and half-light doorways. 

Packard said:
I would replace the doors with 16 gage steel hollow doors with 16 gage steel bucks (frames) securely attached to the framing.

My next home will have neither sidelights or half-light doors, but will have insulated steel doors attached to steel frames backed by very sturdy wood framing.  Until then, I rely on my large, protective German Shepherd backed up by Mr. Benelli and Mr. Colt. 
 
I went through (sequentially) a German Shepherd, A Doberman Pinscher, a Fila Brasilero, a German Shepherd, and a Chesapeake Bay Retriever. 

The German Shepherds were the best all around dogs (both imported as pups from the former West Germany).  The Doberman was the best “strike-fear-of-God-in-the-hearts’-of -men”, but was basically a Golden Retriever in drag.  The Fila Brasilero was a “lock-in-the-other-room-when-visitors”—too aggressively protective, but otherwise a fine dog. 

The Chesapeake looked as approachable as a Labrador, but he set a perimeter around me about 6 feet in diameter.  No one could safely approach closer than that.  A flawed dog as I had to be constantly vigilant that people did not violate that perimeter. 

The back up for all the canines is a S & W 686.

I live in a ranch house, wonderful for not having to climb stairs, but problematic if you are trying to make the house secure.  All the bedroom windows are “walk-ups”, with the exception of the rear of the house where they are on the second story, as the basement is a walk-out. 

I never tried to make it secure.  It would be cost prohibitive to do so.
 
Sparktrician said:
This is all a futile waste of time for anyone whose home has half-light entry doors.  If real security is to be achieved, building codes need to be revised to require stronger framing and doors, as well as captive hinge pins and multi-latch locking.  [mad]

I agree things should be built better. Some of the light doors only work at all for security because of the metal clad on them, but the wood without would do nothing. I'd say the rails on the doors are too light period. Why do we allow code for basically floating balsawood jambs? It's simple, it's quick, and cheap. I don't like it but that doesn't mean everyone is going to tear down their entry ways to appease me. Either way stopping blowout with something that wraps helps a lot because the cheaper door rails can split pretty easy. That's also why using something to push on the entire door during attempts to break in work better than trying to install a deadbolt on a door where it tends to make it a splitting pivot point.

Peter Halle said:
I think that you are looking at this the wrong way.  First, the reenforcement plate you are looking at is supposed to be installed deeper into the door frame.  Then longer and slightly thicker screws are to be installed thru the plate you have thru the front empty holes thru the frame into those studs.  Use as long a screw as you want.  Just make sure that the head countersinks properly into the reenforcement plate.  Then the decorative cover plate (that you don't look to have) is installed over the reenforcement plate with shorter screws going into the frame thru the holes where the screws are currently.

Here are a couple of screenshots from Schlage on how to install:

[attachimg=1]

[attachimg=2]

Hope this helps.

Peter

Peter, not really. IIRC that striker security plate you're seeing in the photo has stripped holes on the rear for unknown reason. If you carefully read what I've said, I've pointed out a LOT of things are wrong on the house. I've never touched any of the front door till now except I think I tried to put screws into the rear spots once and discovered it won't work. Luckily it's actually a heavy duty full wood door. Metal clad would be an improvement but I don't think it's my choice to take away the aesthetic. I had to route out to allow a non-pushin style deadbolt in it.

Crazyraceguy said:
It totally depends on the persons level of determination and willingness to break things.
The doors can be like a safe, but if they can just go through a window, it doesn't matter.
Obvious cameras are a lot better as a deterrent andthey provide evidence if they go for it anyway.
It has been nearly 10 years, but my house was broken into twice in less than a week, so I am very in tune with the problems involved.

I covered windows, actually. They are the LEAST desirable way to enter a place unless they're very well concealed. Note that I'm advocating for cameras as well but your argument for the "evidence" is only useful if the burglar thinks it is... No one is prosecuting for these crimes. Sadly many criminals are aware. That's why I like the ones that give you a phone alert.

Packard said:
I live in a ranch house, wonderful for not having to climb stairs, but problematic if you are trying to make the house secure.  All the bedroom windows are “walk-ups”, with the exception of the rear of the house where they are on the second story, as the basement is a walk-out. 

I never tried to make it secure.  It would be cost prohibitive to do so.

Look at the window film I posted about. It's not that it can stop anyone indefinitely but unless the person has a vendetta with you, it's probably plenty. What would be better is security glass but that typically means a different window in several ways. They have the "film" (THICK) in the middle and it'll take you way longer than one with just film applied - most will give up even if they have a vendetta.
 
I definitely appreciate the conversation that this post has started, but is it an informational post or an advertisement?  It reads like an advertorial in a newspaper.
 
luvmytoolz said:
If i'm understanding the issue correctly, have you thought about doing a cutout a little smaller overall than the heavy duty striker plate, and inserting a short piece of rectangular steel tubing bolted through to the frame/supports, etc as deep as you can, and then bolting the striker over the top flush with the jamb?

This would greatly reinforce the striker, while at least doubling (or quadrupling) the thickness of the steel the latch goes into, and the steel tube presents a solid mass inside the frame/support, whatever, that makes it extremely difficult to dislodge.

I've read this a few times but I'm not completely sure I follow. I'm not sure how any internal things are going to tag the stud very easily. The paint in and out is pretty fresh...
 
squall_line said:
I definitely appreciate the conversation that this post has started, but is it an informational post or an advertisement?  It reads like an advertorial in a newspaper.

Read the title. I posted my findings and opinion on a way one could approach improvements after doing enough research to satisfy my needs that tend to exceed most people's willingness to dive in.

I guess it isn't obvious to everyone but I don't work for 10 different places, and certainly none of these. I didn't even post affiliate links, so I'm not sure what you're going on about. Go make your own thread if you don't like how I wrote mine, out of my own personal time with the best wishes for everyone to be safe.

 
My solution to the issue of the offset 2x4 is that I'm using a long strike plate that mounts with 7x 3.5" screws. It's interesting though because (god forbid) I could have to move it closer to the outside. I won't know until I get in a security latch that works with the rectangle (not square, not half moon) latch in and new weather stripping. I wish inspectors were stigglers on stuff like this over many other things.

The reason a security (deadlatch ?) latch is used is because it has the anti-creditcard pin thing at the back. That little piece also sets depth for the door in the strike plate. Why does that matter? Well if you want your deadbolt to rotate without hitting a strike plate it needs to be at the right close depth. The non security version isn't as thick as the deadbolt so you end up having to pull/push the door to use the deadbolt. Silly issues.
 
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