ipad 3?

[nnordrum]

I would like it to have a SD car slot  if it has that I'll buy it if it does not I won't even want it for free okay maybe free but I wouldn't pay for it ever until they do and so I'll carry on using my iPad1 until then.  

I don't see the problem. I just carry the SD card adapter.

I did hold off until the iPad 2 came out as I needed the video recording capabilities.
I would really like cameras that equal the iPhone 4s but the current ones work well enough.

You dont see the problem?   Why should I carry and buy a adapter when apple can easily build one into the Ipad.   Thats my problem its principle all the other companies seem to be able to manage it. Plus they are crap any way

      The reason I bought an Ipad so its small and handy to carry around if I need to start carrying cases,adapters and leads around it might as well be a laptop defeats the object of it being a all in one portable device.    

So if Ipad 3 came with no camera but instead you had to buy an adapter  with a built in camera you had to stick on the bottom you would be happy with that?    Defeats the convenience of it dont it!?

I have my Ipad fully charged in my van to just get out and show clients the jobs I have done.  I also have my camera in my van so I can just quickly take pictures of the jobs I have done I can then simply stick the SD card into my ipad transfer the pictures job done.......

oh wait I cant I have to take both SD card and Ipad and turn my Imac on and connect my Ipad to the Imac either via cable or a APP wirelessly and transfer images from SD to PC to transfer to IPAD oh how convenient .     OR I go out spend more money having a stupid adapter is just something to snap break of as well as I properly loose it.   All because Apple are being * Heads!

Seems stupid to say a device with no SD card is expectable in todays world.   Pretty much EVERYTHING     TV's  hi-fi's DVD players, phones PC's, laptops    even CARS my Dad's car has TWO SD card slots which he has two 16GB cards in them but also has a built in 40GB hard drive does he need the SD cards slots? NO does make it easy to transfer music onto the hard drive YES  ....... lists goes on and on    only Ipad is the ODD one out with no SD card slot.  

I can say to you why do you want an Ipad with video recording ability never be as good as a proper HD camcorder why don't you just buy a camcorder you can transfer the videos  through your SD card adapter.

JMB

Not to jump further into the kool-aid (which I very willingly drink), you could get an iPhone 4s and take the pictures with that instead of the camera (I'm assuming you're not using a DSLR, or at least not using it sufficiently enough over a general pocket camera). If you did that, you wouldn't even have to connect them as the pics you take on your iPhone automatically sync to your iPad via iCloud. And according to a little-known photographer, the iPhone 4s is "the snapshot camera of today".

 

[jmbfestool]

Yes that would work but! A I phone life with me is or any other phone is no more than 6months.  That's why I bought a water/drop proof camera and why I bought a water/drop proof phone for work.  The iPad is always straight out and in my van for safe keeping.  My camera and phone is kept on me or placed near me where I'm working so I can take pictures and answer calls at random.

jmb

 

[woodguy7]

Jerome, do you use the Apple sd adaptor or did you get one of the cheaper ones ?  Cheap one is £5 & the Apple is £25. 

 

[JeromeM]

Jerome, do you use the Apple sd adaptor or did you get one of the cheaper ones ?  Cheap one is £5 & the Apple is £25. 

I use the apple one that comes with a USB connector and it works very well. And I've just got
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/combo-connection-kit-for-apple-ipad-iphone-4-ipod-white-72523
Though I haven't tried it much yet.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Yes that would work but! A I phone life with me is or any other phone is no more than 6months.   That's why I bought a water/drop proof camera and why I bought a water/drop proof phone for work.  The iPad is always straight out and in my van for safe keeping.  My camera and phone is kept on me or placed near me where I'm working so I can take pictures and answer calls at random.

jmb

JMB, turn the ringer on and you won't have to keep answering the phone at random to see if someone is calling. [tongue] [big grin]

 

[Tinker]

You guys lost me waaaayyyyyyy back.  The last phone i got was >>> I don't know what it was/is.
They tried to sell me something quite exotic with all the bells and whistles on it.
I just wanted something i could call out and receive calls with.
I guess the only extra feature was answer service.
My daughter set up everything on the phone for me, including the answer service.
She put a pin number there which i immediately forgot.

Once in a while, somebody treis to call me and for whatever reason, I do not answer.
Usually because the phone in in my truck and I am not
Or my machinery is making so much noise and my ear muffs are so efficient,
I don't hear the ring.
If they see me, or call again later, and complain i did not answer, I just tell them>>>
'Look, i grew up in the stone age when if anybody was too far a way to be heard by yelling,
We sent up smoke signals' 
I could tell them that we Tinkers just banged away on tin pots and pans, but who would understand? [tongue]

that phone thing thing is 4 years old and still serves its purpose.
Tha battery is getting so it doesn't hold a charge as long as it used to
BUT, then, neither do I
We get along just fine, us neanderthals.  [scratch chin]
Tinker

 

[Hank496]

I just read this thread as I am interested in an iPad 3 following my 'always wait for version three' philosophy.  One thing I did think of while perusing the the comments was the sub discussion on memory card reading capability.  I'm just getting the kinks worked out with the upgrade to Lion and iCloud on our work MBPs, so I may be off base.  But shouldn't the iCloud photo service put an end to the need for swapping photos between Apple devices via memory cards?

 

[RC]

Well, theoretically yes, but if you use the iPad as a DSLR RAW storage & backup memory like I do with my 5Dm2 the 5GB of free iCloud space would get eaten up in a flash (Though to my knowledge RAW-files would not end up there anyhow since I upload them into PhotoRaw-app that to my knowledge doesn't support iCloud yet).

The photo stream feature of iCloud does work conveniently syncing my iPhone pics to my iPad and therefore relieving me of the stress of needing to haul an iPad-size "pocket camera" with me and instead have the 8Mpix pictures taken on my iPhone 4S and synced automatically to the iPad for editing and sharing. It's a real win-win situation for that particular workflow - I don't need to haul an iPad with me and I have a borderline reasonable camera in my pocket at all times (irritatingly slow flash and bad in low light just like everything else with a small sensor and average optics).

The Apple Camera Kit is meant for downloading pictures off your camera to the iDevice, not for transferring images/mp3/etc. files out of the iDevice. iTunes, iCloud, email or Dropbox are the de facto standard ways of getting data out of the iDevices (as long its not of any kind of copy protected material, which Apple goes through hoops to keep locked into the iDevice one-way only - i.e. no downloads of mp3's off an iDevice without hacking the whole gadget).

I guess JMB was also thinking of using an SD card as a general "hard drive" sort of memory expansion to all apps and media, which is not workable in iOS from a security perspective.

 

[nnordrum]

I guess JMB was also thinking of using an SD card as a general "hard drive" sort of memory expansion to all apps and media, which is not workable in iOS from a security perspective.

Won't happen in the foreseeable future. Different companies have different profit drivers. Android's is make a little bit on a *TON* of devices, Apple's is make more on each unit and sell less units. Since that's their strategy, it makes perfect sense for them to restrict access to on-device storage and charge accordingly. The reason Android devices tend to have SD card slots is to push the cost of the storage to the consumer, since they are already having a tough enough job competing on price as is. Now they can be sneaky in their marketing and compare the 32GB Galaxy and the 64GB iPhone 4s and say both have memory of "up to 64GB".

 

[GhostFist]

a 32gig s2 with a 32 gig sd card is still cheaper sturdier and more capable than the 4s

 

[AlexThePalex]

The reason Android devices tend to have SD card slots is to push the cost of the storage to the consumer, since they are already having a tough enough job competing on price as is. Now they can be sneaky in their marketing and compare the 32GB Galaxy and the 64GB iPhone 4s and say both have memory of "up to 64GB".

I haven't read this much BS in ages on the FOG. [huh]

- Pushing the cost of storage on the customer? The difference between a 16gb iPad2 and a 32 GB iPad2 in the States is $50, here in Europe it's even €100. A 16 GB SD card can be had for $/€18. No who's pushing the cost of storage on the customer?

- Android device marketing sneaky? iPad2 lacks both an SD and a USB slot, 2 widely accepted industry standards to make devices compatible and interoperable. While Android devices give you accessibility, possibilities and an open structure, while Apple gives it to you the Kim Jung-Il way.

The Apple Camera Kit is meant for downloading pictures off your camera to the iDevice, not for transferring images/mp3/etc. files out of the iDevice. iTunes, iCloud, email or Dropbox are the de facto standard ways of getting data out of the iDevices (as long its not of any kind of copy protected material, which Apple goes through hoops to keep locked into the iDevice one-way only - i.e. no downloads of mp3's off an iDevice without hacking the whole gadget).

Yup, this is what it's all about with Apple. Closing off possibilities to protect their markets. Understandable from their point of view. But I'm completely baffled why consumers let them get away with it, just to look cool and trendy.

 

[nnordrum]

a 32gig s2 with a 32 gig sd card is still cheaper sturdier and more capable than the 4s

All of those "definitive" are very subjective.

 

[JeromeM]

Yup, this is what it's all about with Apple. Closing off possibilities to protect their markets. Understandable from their point of view. But I'm completely baffled why consumers let them get away with it, just to look cool and trendy.

Apple has realised that the majority want to use the devices not do tech support. For me the possibilities that have been closed (viruses, data theft, random crashes, and battery eating resource hungry Flash) are not important. If you like playing in the device don't get Apple if you like using it then Apple is an easy obvious and good choice.

Why have their been tablets for 11 years that almost no body bought? Then Apple sells more in 3 months than everybody else in 10 years?  Yes I know, we all want to look cool and trendy. [eek] [eek] [eek] No most people want stuff that works. They don't want to work at stuff.

 

[GhostFist]

Sigh, again with misinformation, Android viruses have been proven to be hugely over exaggerated, btw IOS is not immune to them either. As far as flash sucking battery life, you're getting comparable battery life to any IOS device, with the exception of the 4s, did they ever patch that battery drain bug?

 

[nnordrum]

- Pushing the cost of storage on the customer? The difference between a 16gb iPad2 and a 32 GB iPad2 in the States is $50, here in Europe it's even €100. A 16 GB SD card can be had for $/€18. No who's pushing the cost of storage on the customer?

You're missing the point. It's not about a functional "like-for-like" comparison, it's about manufacturing and selling. Apple iPhone owners are, statistically, larger consumers of media/bandwidth than Android users, hence the larger base memory. Based on those margins, you think Android manufacturers are just being the "nice guy"? They would love to have you pay an extra $100, but apparently consumers are only willing to pay big money for Apple phones, not Android phones.

- Android device marketing sneaky? iPad2 lacks both an SD and a USB slot, 2 widely accepted industry standards to make devices compatible and interoperable. While Android devices give you accessibility, possibilities and an open structure, while Apple gives it to you the Kim Jung-Il way.

Misleading at best. Apple does connect to USB via a cable, and the apple connector is reasonably widely accepted. I can't figure out how to search for android-only docks vs. iphone docs on Amazon, but I'd venture there's a lot more iphone docks than android docks, so the connector is pretty widely accepted.

You claim Apple is the "Kim Jung-Il" way, but there are quite a few happy iPhone users out there that don't seem to be nearly as limited as your hyperbole would imply:

Also, Android's "open structure" is leading to fragmentation that is problematic for developers. Apple has paid out over $2B in royalties, as of April 2011 (couldn't find a newer stat quickly), and I'd be shocked if even with their broader install base the aggregate royalties for Android app developers is anywhere near that.

Yup, this is what it's all about with Apple. Closing off possibilities to protect their markets. Understandable from their point of view. But I'm completely baffled why consumers let them get away with it, just to look cool and trendy.

Or "Closing off possibilities" = simplifying the user experience. Who doesn't know how to use an iPhone/iPad?

And maybe consumers "let them get away with it" because it provides value that you don't necessarily realize. Is Audi/BMW/Mercedes/Land Rover/etc. pulling one over on consumers the same way because you can buy a Kia for $8k or an A8/750Li/S550/Range Rover/etc. for $80-120k? Closed, or not totally open, systems have their advantages. Just because *YOU* don't realize the added value at the same level as other people doesn't mean they're getting ripped off.

 

[GhostFist]

It's not androids "open structure" that causes fragmentation, it's the VARIETY of hardware android is available on. It seems a bigger problem on android than IOS because there's just more android. But fragmentation exists between generations of IOS devices just the same.

 

[JeromeM]

Sigh, again with misinformation, Android viruses have been proven to be hugely over exaggerated, btw IOS is not immune to them either. As far as flash sucking battery life, you're getting comparable battery life to any IOS device, with the exception of the 4s, did they ever patch that battery drain bug?

With viruses I was mostly referring to OSX, With battery life there is no mobile device that gets decent life running flash and even Adobe has conceded that it can't get Flash to work on mobile and it is now end of life.

 

[GhostFist]

Absolutely not true, I charge my android tablet every third day if that, my phone goes two and a half without a charge. Flashing all the way

 

[Kev]

WOW! I'm amazing how this thread has turned.

I have an iPad and an iPad 2 - I love them both. To me the value of the iPads (and the iPhones) is the the Appstore & iTunes ... and now that Apple is finally sorting out the MobileMe concept in the form of iCloud ... the Apple user will have a more pervasive experience across iPhone, iPad and Mac ... to me this works and I'm happy to pay the money that Apple charges.

If you're not happy with Apple products - just don't buy them. To complain about a "lack" of an on board SD card reader - well, you're obviously not a significant demographic in their target user base - sorry! ... The number of times I've wanted a dedicated on board SD card reader is zero - so I'm happy with the product. Maybe this'll change with iPad3 ... maybe digital cameras will provide Bluetooth sync, we'll see.

I want better audio input capability - but I'm probably one in a thousand, so I'm not holding my breath!

These style of devices will get cheaper and you'll swap them more frequently - hopefully the disposal method will be kind to the environment (there must be a lot of mobile phones buried somewhere on this planet!)

Anyway guys - let's keep it friendly eh? Apple is a business and it's run to make a profit - yes, a huge profit ... which means it must be doing something that someone likes.

BTW - I have several Android devices too ... not a fan. My spend, my woe.

Kev.

 

[woodguy7]

Well said Kev.

My Ipad 2 was my first Apple computing device & i love it.  I am not techy at all when it comes to computers & the amount of times i have had to call a mate with a windows based PC or Laptop problem..........

I can honestly say i have never had a problem (yet) with the Ipad but the thing i really like is that its so user friendly.  So much so i will be replacing my work PC with an IMac 27 later this year.

Lack of SD slot ?  A minor inconvenience but if the plug in adaptor works then that is fine by me.  Recently bought an HTC android phone, which i think is a good phone but now i wish a spent a bit more & got the IPhone.  My next phone will be.

This was always going to turn into a fight like what sharpening system is best or the Rotex or Ets, ect ect.  Good fun to read though  ;D  Just my 2 cents.

Woodguy