It's Finally here... The Precision Plate for Incra Positioners!!

[Bohdan]

I have both and find that even though I really hate the way the Festool fence sets up I use it more than the Incra fence because I do a lot of edge jointing on the router with a power feed and for this it is almost ideal.

However setting it up in the first place is a PITA.

 

[backhoebb]

could you show us how you have a power feeder configured on your cms?

 

[Bohdan]

It's a generic 3 wheel power feed and I have a Basis table which is what preceeded the CMS. The CMS inserts all fit without modification and the one that I use has the OF2200 mounted in it.

I dismantled the frame and inserted a piece of steel plate into the Basis's ali extrusion and tapped it for the front mounting bolts. The rear bolts are tapped into a block of ali which is then held in place by a set of T bolts.

The length of the horizontal arm on the power feed is about 1" too short to swing the feed out of the way when changing cutters so you have to move the fence out of the way.

The only problem that I have ever had is that I set it for a very large rebate cut and it blew the fuse in the Basis table.

Had to go back and set it to do the cut in two passes.

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[RKA]

Is the idea here that the Incra LS or TS or whatever serves as a router table fence and acts as a accurate stop for repeatable cuts using the MFT rail?  Does the Incra fence MFT combo provide other functions as well?

Sorry for so many questions - thanks!

[member=9753]Welshdog[/member]
That's probably not ideal.  For one, the incra base and fence can take up a bit of real estate and the rail on the MFT is offset from the right edge of the table.  I haven't measured it, but you might be limited to 20" crosscuts doing what you suggested.  Second, the incra fence spans the depth of the MFT completely, so there is no room for the MFT fence that is oriented perpendicular to your rail along the back of the MFT.  You could use a pair of dogs instead.  Now if you're using dogs for rail and stock alignment and just need that fixed stop, you might get up to a 24" crosscut capacity, maybe a little more.  It's an alternate use for the incra fence, but I think it's main advantage is in use with the CMS.

 

[TinyShop]

I dismantled the frame and inserted a piece of steel plate into the Basis's ali extrusion and tapped it for the front mounting bolts.

The length of the horizontal arm on the power feed is about 1" too short to swing the feed out of the way when changing cutters so you have to move the fence out of the way.

Thanks - this is super interesting! Any chance I can bother you for a photo that shows the mod you did to the underside of the table and another that shows the entire table with the powerfeed installed (in other words, stand back and take a photo of the whole setup)? I would be most appreciative! 

 

[Bohdan]

To show how the steel insert is fitted I would have to completely disassemble the table by removing the parts that hold the legs on and then extract the ali extrusion that the power feed is bolted to. Not something that is easy.

The table extrusion has a rectangular hollow section that I inserted the steel plate into from one end. It was just a piece of 10 mm plate (IIRC) that I cut to fit the width of the hollow section and long enough to cover the width of the power feed base.

I drilled the holes in the ali section to suit the power feed base, inserted the steel and while holding it in place, marked one of the holes in the steel. I then tapped it and refitted the steel to the ali holding it in place with a bolt. Drilled and tapped the other hole. I then mounted the base of the power feed by one bolt and after removing the original bolt, fitted the other one.

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[TinyShop]

[member=36526]Bohdan[/member] - Ah, I get it. That makes sense. And thanks for the additional image. That's a great setup!

 

[Bohdan]

BTW The power feed can also be used with any of the saw modules by just changing the insert.

 

[TinyShop]

[member=36526]Bohdan[/member] - Ah, I get it. That makes sense. And thanks for the additional image. That's a great setup!

And just so people know what we're talking about, here's an exploded image of the Basis base unit:

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In contrast to the design of the CMS base unit, the Basis has a lot more to work with for mounting a power feeder.

That said, it might be possible to adopt [member=36526]Bohdan[/member]'s technique of sliding a piece of steel plate into the hollow extrusion on the CMS frame, though there's noticeably less mounting surface and not nearly as beefy of an extrusion:

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[backhoebb]

Any chance someone, bkharman? could post pictures of there saw module in the cms and give some feedback on its pros and cons, I ordered a cms-v, and am undecided on importing the saw module.

 

[TinyShop]

[member=56769]backhoebb[/member] - a quick search of this forum reveals numerous threads that discuss the two TS modules. Rather than hijack this thread any more than it already has been (I'm guilty of this myself) I urge you to either perform your own search or follow the various links below (which are but a small sample of what the site has to offer):
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festo...ms-ts-75-module-question/msg506628/#msg506628
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festo...-rough-cuts-ts-75-in-cms/msg504614/#msg504614
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festo...-ts-mitercross-cut-fence/msg496014/#msg496014
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festo...75-dust-collection-39836/msg390668/#msg390668
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festo...ts-for-cms-to-the-states/msg430903/#msg430903
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/cms-ts-75/msg408439/#msg408439
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festo...cs-50-vs-cms-ts-55-setup/msg110860/#msg110860
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/questions-on-cms-oftsps/msg123430/#msg123430
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festo...75-to-a-cms-module-plate/msg180450/#msg180450
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festo...-in-new-cms-router-table/msg226807/#msg226807 

 

[mattbyington]

Hey guys sorry to bump this thread.

I received my LS positioned but unfortunately the base doesn't have the holes in it for the screws that the precision plate mounts to.

I saw on the website it mentions I can drill my own holes:https://precisiondogs.us/products/precision-plate

What did others do? I'd rather not drill into it - it mentions a TS plate or something that would work with it.

Anyone have recommendations on how to mount this? Sorry for the stupid question!

Matt

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[rljatl]

Looks like both Incra and Precision Dogs have made changes since I bought mine, but...

I think you need to first remove the gold plate from the bottom of the Incra LS positioner and replace it with the red steel plate.  I think there will be existing holes that you can use to bolt the LS to the red steel plate and then the red steel plate to the Precision Dogs plate.

Look closely at the pictures in the link you provided above.  The original Precision Dog plate used the gold plate.  The new Precision Dog plate uses the red steel plate only.  Do not use both. 

 

[GarryMartin]

I think you need to first remove the gold plate from the bottom of the Incra LS positioner and replace it with the red steel plate.

Spot on.

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[mattbyington]

OK gotcha, thanks all!

 

[tjskinny]

One more bump on this; 

My LS positioner came in last week and the Precision Plate with the red TS plate today. I was wondering if anyone with this configuration had to also install a shim between the red TS plate and the LS positioner base to raise the LS positioner carriage up enough so you could attach the fence ?  Wasn’t an issue to do so, just surprised it was required. [huh]

Todd

 

[Joelm]

Please let us know how it turns out. I've got an LS on order and a precision plate (without the red base) waiting for it. I might need to reach out to precision dogs to see if I can get a red base.

 

[tjskinny]

You can drill holes in the mounting base that comes with the LS positioner to match the Precision plate and you won’t have to worry about the height issue.  Here is a photo of what I did - wood under the Red TS plate.  Also show how I plan to connect the CMS-GE to the MFT..  well see how well it works..  fingers crossed.

 

[lshah72414]

[member=8008]tjskinny[/member]
I went and checked my setup, since mine dropped right in with the red plate. It's been about a year and a half to two years since I installed, but  I think there are two screws(loosens a bracket) to loosen and you can adjust the fence up and down so you don't have to use a shim. Don't know if this will help you. Good luck

 

[vkumar]

I am really curious how the incra LS connects to the Festool CMS fence, for those you you that went that route.  Detailed pictures would be appreciated.

Also for those that used the red plate on the LS without holes, how simple is the process? Does the plate without holes unbolt easily without worrying about lead screw engagement, etc ?