Jumbo MFT with Incra Miter

jo041326

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Hi all,
I'm planning to build jumbo MFT but I am totally unhappy with original Festool fence. I'm thinking about replacing it with Incra Miter 2000 or 3000SE. Just to route a dado to the MDF, slide a t miter channel and connect Incra's Miter. Did anybody think about it or did it?
Thanks

Josef
 
Wait for the new profiles to come out in the spring.  V grooved better  miter fence.

  NATE
 
Have you read Jerry Work's manual on the MFT?  Look here, and scroll down to "Getting the most from the MFT multifunction table by Jerry Work":
http://www.festoolusa.com/woodworking.aspx

I'm having a hard time visualizing how you would benefit from an Incra miter gauge on the MFT.  With the Festool system you take the tool to the material.  It seems to me the miter gauge would be used for guiding the material, not the tool.  Hmmm.
 
Daviddubya said:
...I'm having a hard time visualizing how you would benefit from an Incra miter gauge on the MFT. 

There's been some talk of cannibalizing an Incra miter gauge, removing the miter bar and using the quadrant (?) to position a stationary Festool fence.  Similar to the LA 650 (sorry, couldn't find a pic).

The benefit is that the Incra angle positioning and locking appears to be more precise and more secure than the stock MFT fence.

I'd wait to see what Festool offers when the MFT3 becomes available.

Ned
 
Ned Young said:
..The benefit is that the Incra angle positioning and locking appears to be more precise and more secure than the stock MFT fence....Ned

Ned - Thanks for the reply.  However, the original post says, "Just to route a dado to the MDF, slide a t miter channel and connect Incra's Miter.".  Hmmm.  Still pondering.

As the owner of an Incra Miter 1000 and a MFT, I think it is safe to say your comment would be a world-class UNDERSTATEMENT! :)
 
I have just some thoughts.  I have not really created a design or anything like that, but I am thinking to attach somehow the TS55 rail to my Incra LS positioner. At least I will have square cuts with precision.  This won't fix the problem with angle cuts but for that I have my Incra 5000 and my TS.

I don't know if this is possible or I had one to many beers the other day when I thought about that.  8) ;D ???
 
Rather than cut a groove in your MFT's top, why not simply mount your miter track into a large piece of MDF that you can place against the MFT's fence (or look at Incra's jig parts).  You can cut some 20mm by however long slots (parallel to fence) in this jig that align with the MFT's holes to allow for clamping opportunities -- or clamp in place from along the sides if needed.

Corwin
 
I usually don't reply to something until I have "proof" but I have a bucket of parts from the Festool miter gauge, two Incras and who know what else. It is not the money involved that has preempted progress but the task at hand. I like the Incras miter gauge and accuracy and repeatability....and I like the Festool parallel guide and the way it connects to a guide rail...but I haven't yet figured out how to make both work better together,
  I look at the tasks...with number one being to make exact perpendicular cuts.  The Festool MFT right out of the box does this well...once you know how to work it.

My message to people here...keep trying but always keep the taskdefined and in site.
 
jo041326 said:
I'm thinking about replacing it with Incra Miter 2000 or 3000SE. Just to route a dado to the MDF, slide a t miter channel and connect Incra's Miter. Did anybody think about it or did it?

Hi, Josef.  If you'd asked me in early March, I might have been able to give you an answer.   :D

That's the ETA for my newest jumbo MFT.  It'll have about six t-tracks in it, but I'm undecided about a miter channel.  The reason I'm undecided about the miter channel is that I'm thinking about two alternatives.

One is to dedicate a separate bench for miters only.  It would basically be the same idea you're thinking of, but not so big, because I don't usually need that much room for the furniture-sized miters I'd be making.  (I'd use a chop saw for architectural-sized moulding.)  I have a MFT 800 that I almost never use, so I might go that route.  I could store it under my jumbo MFT just like I do now.  Because you wouldn't be using it for clamping, you wouldn't need to use the usual MFT top with the grid of 20mm holes.  This frees you to try other things, like using t-tracks for mounting things to help clamp the wood in place.  You could also use a torsion box for the table top so it will be more likely to stay flat over time.  You'd need to order a couple of MFT extrusions (or cut some little pieces from a longer extrusion) and mount them on the front and back of the torsion box in order to receive the mounting brackets for the guide rail.  (This is what I'll be doing with my new jumbo MFT, because I don't use the extrusions on the perimeter of the MFT for anything else.)

[EDIT:  whoops, I didn't see that Corwin had already posted this idea before I did.  :-[  I'll leave it up for whatever worth the other details might have.]  The other alternative is to build something like the Incra Miter 5000, but leave the runners off the bottom, and design it so it can be registered against the guide rail and then clamped in place so it'll be easily installed & squared every time.  Take a big, wide piece of the same stock as you use to make this device, and slip it under the guide rail and on the "off cut" side of the guide rail to support the work piece and off-cut.  This could also be stored under the jumbo MFT without too much trouble.  Keeping it perfectly flat over time could be a challenge.

Hope this helps.  If you get to it before I do, please report back, with pics.  If I get to it before you do, I'll do the same.  Can't wait to stop futzing around with making new devices and get back to actually making a piece of furniture or two!  >:(

Regards,

John
 
Hi all,
thank you for your replies.

John, I want to wait until MFT3 will be released but anyway I want to build my own jumbo MFT so we could share some ideas. But MFT3's fence seems too short to me.

Daviddubya, I know the Incra Miter is supposed to slide material against the machine. I have hard time to express myself correctly and sufficiently because english is not my mother tongue. My idea is to route a dado perpendiculary to Festool fence (which I will throw away). I will glue a T-miter channel into this groove and connect Miter into it. Than calibrate the Festool rail perpendicular to the miter's fence. Surely I will sacrifice the sliding action of the mitter. I will use it just as a rigid fence with stops and line scale. If I will want to cut 45 degrees, I will slide the miter towards me and rotate it to 45 degrees. Hope you will get my explanation.
Josef
 
The Incra Miter guage is a great and accurate tool. Just a thought though, it's a bit more trouble to transport and use than the two pencil marks I made on the edge of my MFT (one at 90 and one at 45) lets me set the Festool miter exactly every time (of course I only use (so far) those two angles)). Your mileage may vary, not valid in all states, see dealer for details, etc, etc...
 
Steve Jones said:
it's a bit more trouble to transport and use than the two pencil marks I made on the edge of my MFT (one at 90 and one at 45) lets me set the Festool miter exactly every time

Not impressed.  I mean, don't the very best trim carpenters set it by eye alone and get gap-free miters every time?  ;)

Regards,

John
 
Ah,  now this is an interesting thread -- just joined the user group yesterday

I am a recently retired engineer who decided to put a shop together.  By nature I tend to get carried away with inventing various ways of working. I love learning about new tools and methods. Thats why I spent my career in an R&D lab.

While I was buying some tools and jig parts I happened to stumble on two increadable deals on Incra LS  positioning systems :  1) Incra LS32-TS TSIII 32-Inch LS Based Table Saw Fence Positioner (Lead Screw Based) w/ 72" rails

and            2)Incra LS17WFNCSYS 17-Inch Range LS Super System For Router Tables, Band Saws & Drill Presses.

I couldn't resist because I got both systems formuch less than they normally sell for.  Anyway, a few months ago I ended up getting a jessem XL router table with the miter slider (also got it half price) so I will either sell the LS 17 or make a second table for the joinery functions or perhaps append the LS17 to the back of jessem table .

...roll forward a few months and I discovered Festool.  I love the TS saw (and I also have the 1400 router, 22hepa vac,  and 5" sander.)  Now I need to make or buy an "MFT" solution.

As I mentioned in a differant thread, I have an opportunity to get one of the last MFT 1080's or pass and get a MFT/3. Trying to decide.  This INCRA discussion has added another factor in the decision.

I will now put off the table saw (perhaps forever) which makes the INCRA gear available for Festool Guiding enhancement experiments.( or I could sell it as well).  I love the LS mechanism and I would like to incorporate it.

Questions:  Would I be better off with that MFT1080 to experiment on (with INCRA systems)  or get an MFT/3 or make my own "home grown" MFT?

and also,  what's the latest on the Festool MFT/Incra mind meld. Any more developments here? Any place I should look on the Web??

Thanks folks,  next time i will not be so long winded.

Kevin in Colorado

 
Aren't the new MFT3 going to be available in < month? Talk to your ISA and see if they will be. I can't recall anyone here complaining about buying the latest and greatest tool vs. they wish they had bought the old style. Another thing is this will probably be your first of more to come MFT's if you're like the majority of member. You will have to worry about will this accessory fit both the old and new styles if you buy the old first. I'd wait. I'm sure you'll end up with a better product.
 
Les I have been through this in another thread. I prefer the old style over the new. SO any newbies should really check it out. The accessories for the new mft are not even scheduled to come to the USA right now so don't buy counting on that. I bought 6 1080's just because I do not want the proprietary style of the V groove and prefer the universal style of the T track. Plus if you can get the old style they are a whole lot cheaper.

It remains to be seen if it is a better product. My main concern is unless you are breaking it down to carry around I fear the new one is WAY to light for the shop. Especially if you intend on hand planing etc.

If you have the time I truly believe a home grown MFT is the best way to go, period. The guys in this forum have made some spectacular home grown versions.

Nickao
 
I did something similar to what you want to do. It wasn't for an Incra, but I routed a dado 1/2 inch from the top, put an aluminum bar in the dado and a fence on top of the bar.

You can read about it here, top of page 5.

It's been working great and I'm very pleased I did. The fence slides on the bar. The main part of the fence  is parallel with the back of the table and I've attached another fence section perpendicular to it. It can be used for all kinds of cuts.
 
Qwas said:
I did something similar to what you want to do. It wasn't for an Incra, but I routed a dado 1/2 inch from the top, put an aluminum bar in the dado and a fence on top of the bar.

You can read about it here, top of page 5.

It's been working great and I'm very pleased I did. The fence slides on the bar. The main part of the fence  is parallel with the back of the table and I've attached another fence section perpendicular to it. It can be used for all kinds of cuts.

Qwas is that your final setup, I thought I recalled you were working on something else too?

Nick
 
No, I'm happy with it and stopped there.

We are still waiting on Corwin who is doing something fancy. He should be posting pictures any day now.

I'm still doing some experimenting with the holes but I think it's coming to an end.
 
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