Kapex died 19 months old

Baremeg55 said:
wow said:
This issue concerned me greatly, but I bought one anyway. And I agree with whomever said that theirs will probably fail just  outside of the warranty period - but I bought one anyway.

I will scream like a howler monkey until mine gets fixed under warranty!

[wink]
I think I would be screaming to have it fixed FOC even if past the warranty,

I agree. That's why I said Festool should fix it under warranty FOR LIFE if the problem is identified and it's a design defect.

I suspect it has them scratching their heads right now, since it seems to be so isolated and in certain cases a repeat problem. I have confidence they will identify the problem at some point and come up with a resolution. It may not be soon enough for some people, but I still have two and a half years before it's a cost issue for me. And I also don't use mine in a daily, demanding work setting. That's why I'm willing to be patient.
 
Peter Halle said:
John,

Darcy is not a paid spokesperson.  He did appear in a video.  Darcy has posted about his experiences with his KAPEX for years here if you want to do a search.

Peter

Well he didn't answer my question, but I remember reading in another forum that he spent a couple of days making a video for Festool and he was paid for it - that is why I asked...

Now it is one thing to be an enthusiast, but if I guy is getting paid by Festool for his comments... Well, here is something from Wikipedia that comes to mind: shill.

[ Edited to remove quote from Wikipedia as it went beyond what is acceptable on the forum - Shane ]
 
John,

Please do not resort to name calling, that's against our forum rules.

Darcy has been in one of our videos. He happens to live about 3 hours from our headquarters and we respect him as a guy who makes a living running tools. He doesn't pull any punches and he speak his mind, sometimes to a fault. (Sorry, Darcy)  [smile]

It's fair to want to know who has a relationship with Festool beyond just being a regular ol' customer. We try to be very transparent about that. Apologies if you didn't know about Darcy's relationship with us. For what it's worth, the folks in our videos do not speak from a script, they say whatever they want.

Darcy bought his Kapex with his own money before he ever did a video for us.

Regarding the issue with the Kapex, I'm sorry to read that you had problems, but I'm glad that your experience with your dealer and our service team exceeded your expectations. That's our goal. Tools break, even the best. The difference is the service/company behind the tool when you do need help.

Shane
 
Shane

I am not very good at reading between the lines, sorry

So when I asked about if he was a "paid spokesman"  it sounds like your saying he is in a round about way....

Is there a list somewhere of people that Festool has either given them products or has paid them money so when I read their posts I can "take it with a grain of salt?"

Edited to add:

I did some reading, and I am certainly not a lawyer - but don't the FTC Disclosure laws apply here since there is a "connection" between Festool and these people?

"… clearly and conspicuously disclose either the payment or promise of compensation prior to and in exchange for the endorsement or the fact that the endorser knew or had reason to know or to believe that if the endorsement favored the advertised product some benefit, such as an appearance on television, would be extended to the endorser."

http://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/attachments/press-releases/ftc-publishes-final-guides-governing-endorsements-testimonials/091005revisedendorsementguides.pdf

 
Sorry Shane but I find this quite offensive"(It's fair to want to know who has a relationship with Festool beyond just being a regular ol' customer)". I personally have spent thousands on Festool tools, thousands on Festool accessories and thousands on consumables. I do not live anywhere close to any kind of headquarters Sorry. I'm just a regular working guy who uses power tools to make a living. I don't care about ideal working conditions for a SCMS, I have used many other ones that did not have any problems with "electrical whatever". My expectations for a SCMS are not that high. Five years for a professional tool would be reasonable I think for a tool used every day. I think it is so silly to need to state my credentials to justify my experience with a power tool but here it goes I have done finishing carpentry everyday on site for more than 20 years, this is how I make a living (I began purchasing Festool Tools 10 years ago and in Canada that is a long time). By no means do I consider my self a master carpenter BUT I do think I at least qualify as somewhat more than a (regular ol' customer). I can easily stop purchasing Festool(don't buy if you don't like , return within 30 days I know). I do like, I know the return policy. THERE IS PROBLEM WITH THE KAPEX! Please do not dismiss me or others if they do not spend the required amount or do not fall into a specific geographical location. This really upsets me to be so negative in this post as I do really like Festool products with the exception of the Kapex. I genuinely hope if you buy a Kapex or own one it is flawless but I believe the tool is below the bar set by Festool in quality and longevity.
 
Definitely sounds like you have a great dealer to take care of you like that ! I've had my Kapex almost 5 years with daily use, and knock on wood, it hasn't skipped a beat.

Dave

drbwoodworks/Dan said:
I waited a few years before I bought the Kapex for the shop , something about the saw never sat right with me , but I finally bought it . The Kapex is used in a professional cabinet/millwork shop lasted 19 months . 12-26-14 the saw died ,dropped it off at my local festool dealer he packed it , shipped it and offered me a loaner saw until this one came back . The saw came back on 1-08-15 . I was very pleased how fast it was repaired . No cost . No shipping . Out of all the festool tool I have gotten since 2001 , this was the first time there was a problem that we did not cause. Though I was disappointed because I have lots of other saws that lasted years longer with much more abuse I am happy they stepped up and fixed it . It was the armature , brushes , and bearings . And for some reason they removed my Betterly zero-clearance table insert and put the original one back in . By the way everyone should buy that Betterly insert.

EDIT> fixed quote box
 
WarnerConstCo. said:
I use a new kapex for every job, just toss the old one in the trash when I am done.

Apparently you aren't alone, with threads like this as proof. [tongue] (Sorry Shane I couldn't resist [poke])
 
I want to begin by stating that I'm sorry for not responding sooner to Jim and John. I wasn't trying to dodge or ignore their questions. I'm traveling this week and was involved in meetings and other work-related activities until very late at night yesterday. I just got back to my hotel room tonight after more meetings.

To address the questions/concerns about endorsement from someone who has been compensated by Festool, I think that we operate within the spirit of the guidelines of the FTC and what I consider respectable business practice.

Do you know what prompted the FTC to consider these types of rules? Have a look at this article.

So, what's reasonable? Should Darcy, Jory, Ben, Brice, Paul-Marcel, our sweepstakes winners, contest winners, your forum moderators, me and others have to disclose every time we make a post that we've been compensated by Festool at some point in our lives for a blog post, a video, photos, etc.? I don't think that's reasonable. What is reasonable is that it's clear to anyone in one of our videos, for instance, that they are doing this as an endorsement of Festool. That we not try to "dupe" people by making it look like Darcy made this video on his own, speaking in a way to promote Festool, without any indication that he's actually affiliated.

The people we work with truly have an appreciation for the brand. In many cases they volunteer to work with us without compensation. I think many of you would call us cheapskates for what we might offer someone who does a video or other type of testimonial for us. Why don't we pay them handsomely and load them up with three of every tool? Credibility. This is a word that means a lot to me. These folks speak in their own words, not from a script. They aren't promised wealth, fame, shops full of tools, etc. And the reason is we want these folks to be the voice of our typical customer.

Why do you think we let people come here to a Festool-owned forum and write about problems with tools, opinions that other tools/brands might be better, negative reviews, etc.? Credibility. If we censored or only allow fan boys to be a part of this forum there would be no credibility to our company, our brand, our tools or those who advocate us.

I'm not sure if that's the answer you are looking for. Maybe it sounds like fluff. You can accept as truth or me just trying to pacify you, but being on the inside, Festool is an honest, reputable, trustworthy company. I would argue more so than 99%+ of other companies out there.

Darcy isn't saying what he says because he's a shill or in our pocket. He's a real guy, using the heck out of the tools under tough conditions. He's shoots from the hip and doesn't pull any punches. And, most importantly, he's not trying to proactively hide that he's worked with Festool.

We have had numerous occasions where competitors have come to this very forum, undercover, not disclosing their true identities and in some cases even denying irrefutable evidence that they are not who they really are. THAT is the type of despicable behavior that consumers need to be protected against.

I wish more people could visit us and see who we are as people, as a company. It's a real shame that culture as taught us that we need to raise and eyebrow and be skeptics, even cynics, because corporations have lost the trust of consumers.

Shane
 
Shane Holland said:
I don't think that's reasonable. What is reasonable is that it's clear to anyone in one of our videos, for instance, that they are doing this as an endorsement of Festool. That we not try to "dupe" people by making it look like Darcy made this video on his own, speaking in a way to promote Festool, without any indication that he's actually affiliated.

Shane

Yeah but, wait..........what??????  Long day Shane? Or did we just have a Grandpa Simpson moment? [poke]
 
Well that's a shame, I was seriously considering adding a Kepex  to replace a 17 year old Dewalt that's still going strong when the rep comes by next week. However I will not be purchasing this tool while the air of uncertainty hangs over it. I can't afford to have that tool go down. :-[
 
What were the symptoms of your Kapex issues?

Mine, out of warranty, suddenly lost power (speed) and I'm pretty sure that it sparked.  Keeping the trigger pulled a little longer, it sort of sputtered between fast and slow.  I'm really hoping that it is just the brushes.

Saw is around 3 years old, used moderately.  Originally purchased reconditioned.
 
Shane Holland said:
Why do you think we let people come here to a Festool-owned forum and write about problems with tools, opinions that other tools/brands might be better, negative reviews, etc.? Credibility. If we censored or only allow fan boys to be a part of this forum there would be no credibility to our company, our brand, our tools or those who advocate us.

As a newbie to Festool and this forum I appreciate this open honest arena. People criticize Festool on here and I have seen no hint of censorship. It also hardly surprises me that Festool would compensate some people for marketing their products as "real world" users of their tools. Marketing is as American as apple pie and so I take most "real world" endorsements with some healthy skepticism. And while I appreciate Mr. Holland's response it neglected to address if there is some kind of systemic problem with the Kapex. This is not something they are going to discuss on a web forum but I hope they have investigated it behind the scenes and determined the issues are isolated. In the end it comes down to trust. From my limited interaction with Festool I can see they are responsive, open and honest, and focused on making good tools. I am in the market for a Kapex and I trust that they will be there for the 3-year warranty. I am also fairly sure it will still work 3 years + 1 day later. Maybe I am naive but I am going to buy a Kapex and put a little trust in the fact that Festool has made a quality product they stand behind and that it will work for many years to come.
 
I appreciate shane's feedback.

I think if there was indeed a widespread issue with the kapex, we'd have seen many more sold through the most recent recon sale.

In reality, there appeared to have only been a handful that sold via the sale. "Sightings" were few and far between as we heard posters marvel when a reconditioned  kapex hit the sale (and was gone right away). As a practical matter, I'd say that is compelling evidence that there isn't a widespread problem.

I don't mean to diminish that some folks have had issues with theirs. I'm sure that has happened.

I'm just pointing out that by the numbers, it appears to be a minority.

My two cents.
 
I'm not sure I would ever put money down on a Kapex. Bosch and Makita makes make saws that are just as good or better then the Kapex. I would however love a Domino and will only ever buy festool sander.Festool need to design more machines that are unique, I think that is where the money is.

[2cents]
 
I think your logic is flawed Grasshopper. Tools turned in within 30 days are probably not the tools with issues which are still in the hand of the buyers, being repaired and put back in the owner's service. I have a 12 year old DeWalt and a twenty year old Makita that have never failed. Never failed to be hard to set up or to throw up a cloud of dust, but nonetheless, never failed. I'm sure, yep, positive, that I'd buy a Kapex tomorrow with a five year warranty. Three years, I'll stay on the sideline.

I also realize that I'm prone to flashes of instability where I suddenly realize I just bought a tool that I said I wouldn't. As I read above I see I'm not alone in that regard. It's the human condition.
 
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