Kapex life span

[Bohdan]

Just a suggestion for those of you that have a Kapex in NA.

The kapex is rated on the Festool US website as being a 1600w machine, same as the Aust 230v machine. The spec sheet says 13A which on 110v equates to only 1430w however the actual current draw will depend on many factors such as how hard it is pushed, how thick the material is, type of blade, how sharp the blade is etc.

As a motor burnout will also depend on how long the high amperage lasts a 13A circuit breaker should protect the motor from burnout, while allowing for the occasional overload.

If a saw fitted with a 13A breaker burns out then I think that you have grounds to visit your lawyer as the saw doesn't perform as advertised.

In the 230v world that would be a 7A breaker.

 

[Holmz]

At the price, the saw should have its own over-temp and overload protection.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

Holy crap.

 

[Kev]

Holy crap.

[member=3891]WarnerConstCo.[/member]

Checking in and shocked? But you are coming to the bonfire aren't you [wink] [big grin]

 

[Kev]

I am NOT attempting to further speculation, I'm saying all this because I fear that Festool possibly still hasn't seen the gravity of this and the potential longer term fall out.

Hi
  If it was not recognised then the post above from me would not have been placed.
rg
Phil

[member=6307]Phil[/member] Beckey

Hi Phil, your response is clear, but Tyler's did seem somewhat "final". Plus we have other geographies involved. Here in Oz we don't stand a chance with any potential KAPEX issues unless there's a Festool HO mandate.

I'd personally (selfishly) love to hear something like (sorry to all of my 110v KAPEX user brothers) that the significant issues with the KAPEX are isolated to the 110V version and that the 240V failures are well within acceptable tolerances.

PS Phil, never in a million years would I question your integrity, intend or the message you're sending - hope you didn't read that into what I was saying.

 

[jmbfestool]

I DELETED my own post just so others are aware because I am out on a Stag Do and read some posts while traveling and replied but I decided I rather reply when Im not so tired and had a few drinks in me.

;D

 

[Stephen B]

Is this the 2016 reality? I have no reason or evidence to suggest yes or no. But does this Thread reflect these 2008 statistics? I find the 32 and 19.3% the more interesting statistics.

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From -http://festoolownersgroup.com/festo...x-problem-poll/msg447881/?topicseen#msg447881

 

[Kev]

Is this the 2016 reality? I have no reason or evidence to suggest yes or no. But does this Thread reflect these 2008 statistics? I find the 32 and 19.3% the more interesting statistics.

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From -http://festoolownersgroup.com/festo...x-problem-poll/msg447881/?topicseen#msg447881

As a Q&A stat that looks like "noise".

I do think the reality is that we've had several very public failures in a pool of unknown relative engagement. I hate to draw on NPS thinking, but the climate is definitely provoking - but in no way conclusive.

 

[Stephen B]

Fair comment [member=13058]Kev[/member].

 

[Phil Beckley]

I DELETED my own post just so others are aware because I am out on a Stag Do and read some posts while traveling and replied but I decided I rather reply when Im not so tired and had a few drinks in me.

;D

Hi
Thank you for clearing that up JMB
  Any posts from here on in need to be relevant and on thread. Just a reminder that I asked the moderators to keep this open and it not to be closed unless it descends into a pointless slanging match. I have every intention of that not happening.
RG
Phil

 

[Phil Beckley]

I am NOT attempting to further speculation, I'm saying all this because I fear that Festool possibly still hasn't seen the gravity of this and the potential longer term fall out.

Hi
  If it was not recognised then the post above from me would not have been placed.
rg
Phil

[member=6307]Phil[/member] Beckey

Hi Phil, your response is clear, but Tyler's did seem somewhat "final". Plus we have other geographies involved. Here in Oz we don't stand a chance with any potential KAPEX issues unless there's a Festool HO mandate.

I'd personally (selfishly) love to hear something like (sorry to all of my 110v KAPEX user brothers) that the significant issues with the KAPEX are isolated to the 110V version and that the 240V failures are well within acceptable tolerances.

PS Phil, never in a million years would I question your integrity, intend or the message you're sending - hope you didn't read that into what I was saying.

Hi
Not taken like that in any way Kev. It is the intention to try and bring some calm to the thread and provide some answers to you guys - I cannot guarantee anything, promise anything all I can do is reach out to the right people and wait.
rg
Phil

 

[Phil Beckley]

Hi
Relevant and on thread please.....all the way through. If the comment is not related to the initial title then please post elsewhere. A lot of areas have been touched on.
rg
Phil

 

[Tyler Ernsberger]

I just found something really cool. On amazon you can get an additional warranty for 2 years past the manufacturer warranty for an additional  $88.26 on the Kapex.  It says cover 100% of the repair with free shipping. 

 

[tomscf]

...The Kapex had been opened up various wires removed from position and I think cut or trapped...This meant to diagnose the fault it had to be re assembled - time = money...
    Festool U.K receive Kapex in for service/repair in many different states of condition. Some, believe me do not resemble a Kapex when they arrive and have been used to cut all manner of materials including steel with grinding discs, Quartz with diamond blades, and even used with blades that literally have no teeth left - I use these blades on dealer training courses to show what is or is not good.
rg
Phil

Something like this I'm guessing? Came across this this morning :
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/festool-plunge-saw-/182051262029?nav=SEARCH

Doesn't need an engineer, it needs a funeral director.

 

[ajones]

...The Kapex had been opened up various wires removed from position and I think cut or trapped...This meant to diagnose the fault it had to be re assembled - time = money...
    Festool U.K receive Kapex in for service/repair in many different states of condition. Some, believe me do not resemble a Kapex when they arrive and have been used to cut all manner of materials including steel with grinding discs, Quartz with diamond blades, and even used with blades that literally have no teeth left - I use these blades on dealer training courses to show what is or is not good.
rg
Phil

Something like this I'm guessing? Came across this this morning :
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/festool-plunge-saw-/182051262029?nav=SEARCH

Doesn't need an engineer, it needs a funeral director.

Well spotted another kapex with a burnt up motor may be the brushes lol. it has a service label hanging off it..

I t hink i'm right in saying that festool send them back in bits,think it might be illegal to reassemble without repair.

 

[Phil Beckley]

...The Kapex had been opened up various wires removed from position and I think cut or trapped...This meant to diagnose the fault it had to be re assembled - time = money...
    Festool U.K receive Kapex in for service/repair in many different states of condition. Some, believe me do not resemble a Kapex when they arrive and have been used to cut all manner of materials including steel with grinding discs, Quartz with diamond blades, and even used with blades that literally have no teeth left - I use these blades on dealer training courses to show what is or is not good.
rg
Phil

Something like this I'm guessing? Came across this this morning :
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/festool-plunge-saw-/182051262029?nav=SEARCH

Doesn't need an engineer, it needs a funeral director.

Well spotted another kapex with a burnt up motor may be the brushes lol. it has a service label hanging off it..

I t hink i'm right in saying that festool send them back in bits,think it might be illegal to reassemble without repair.

Hi
Correct - if the quote is not accepted the machine is sent back stripped down. Under regs we cannot return a machine that is not in working order to the customer. (and no comments relating to Kapex and working order please!!)
rg
Phil

 

[Deansocial]

I have waited to see what comes of thia for a while and in the end said sod it and ordered a kapex this morning. Its only money at the end of the day.

 

[tomscf]

I have waited to see what comes of thia for a while and in the end said sod it and ordered a kapex this morning. Its only money at the end of the day.

That's the spirit!

I'm sure you won't regret it - I certainly don't getting mine.

 

[tomscf]

...The Kapex had been opened up various wires removed from position and I think cut or trapped...This meant to diagnose the fault it had to be re assembled - time = money...
    Festool U.K receive Kapex in for service/repair in many different states of condition. Some, believe me do not resemble a Kapex when they arrive and have been used to cut all manner of materials including steel with grinding discs, Quartz with diamond blades, and even used with blades that literally have no teeth left - I use these blades on dealer training courses to show what is or is not good.
rg
Phil

Something like this I'm guessing? Came across this this morning :
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/festool-plunge-saw-/182051262029?nav=SEARCH

Doesn't need an engineer, it needs a funeral director.

Well spotted another kapex with a burnt up motor may be the brushes lol. it has a service label hanging off it..

I t hink i'm right in saying that festool send them back in bits,think it might be illegal to reassemble without repair.

Hi
Correct - if the quote is not accepted the machine is sent back stripped down. Under regs we cannot return a machine that is not in working order to the customer. (and no comments relating to Kapex and working order please!!)
rg
Phil

Ah - good to know.
Shame this guy didn't accept the quote though. Given that these saws, at least for now, seem to hold their value pretty well, I'm sure he'd have a better return on the sale if it was at least in one piece (assuming he'd still want to sell it).

 

[bobfog]

...The Kapex had been opened up various wires removed from position and I think cut or trapped...This meant to diagnose the fault it had to be re assembled - time = money...
    Festool U.K receive Kapex in for service/repair in many different states of condition. Some, believe me do not resemble a Kapex when they arrive and have been used to cut all manner of materials including steel with grinding discs, Quartz with diamond blades, and even used with blades that literally have no teeth left - I use these blades on dealer training courses to show what is or is not good.
rg
Phil

Something like this I'm guessing? Came across this this morning :
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/festool-plunge-saw-/182051262029?nav=SEARCH

Doesn't need an engineer, it needs a funeral director.

Well spotted another kapex with a burnt up motor may be the brushes lol. it has a service label hanging off it..

I t hink i'm right in saying that festool send them back in bits,think it might be illegal to reassemble without repair.

Hi
Correct - if the quote is not accepted the machine is sent back stripped down. Under regs we cannot return a machine that is not in working order to the customer. (and no comments relating to Kapex and working order please!!)
rg
Phil

This is interesting! So, if a fully assembled Kapex comes into the repair centre with a dead motor and is striped down to establish the motor is faulty, it's against the law to reassemble it to the same condition it was received and return to the customer, should the decline the repair based on the quote?

What particular regulation is it you're referring to?