Kapex - Which Extractor??

[rst]

This Dust Deputy and static build up horse has been kicked around for years, my question is; why does Festool sell non anti-static hoses?

 

[sae]

This Dust Deputy and static build up horse has been kicked around for years, my question is; why does Festool sell non anti-static hoses?

Why does Festool sell anything? Because people buy them?

The Dust Deputy case is a minority of the total userbase.

 

[jacko9]

The Oneida Ultimate Dust Deputy was designed to fit on top of the Festool Ct extractor and filter out the majority of course debris before the Festool Bag and Festool HEPA filter.  This is useful "only to save the cost of replacing Festool bags" and the minor amount of time required to replace the bag.  At least when my Oneida UDD is full, I still have the Festool bag behind it to capture any overflow.

Oneida did send me a complete upgrade kit (free of charge) to eliminate the static discharge issue and modified the product they sell to address this issue.

Jack

 

[Corwin]

This Dust Deputy and static build up horse has been kicked around for years, my question is; why does Festool sell non anti-static hoses?

Yes, the fact that they sell non-antistatic hose without issue tells you that there typically isn't enough static generated within the hose to be an issue. The potential problem is the cyclone, for it certainly does generate far more static in use than simply using just a hose -- and this should be obvious if you have any understanding of how static is generated in the first place. There doesn't need to be an issue with the vac's electronics IF the static is properly handled such that it doesn't build up to a point where it can become a problem. Oneida's problem (with their plastic models) has been that they had not done their homework and used materials that didn't contain enough carbon -- they put a higher content in the material for the container where it is not needed to the degree that it is required in the body of the cyclone where the static is created. Goofy.  [blink]  And they've been selling these UDD's for how many years now? I would be embarrassed to run a company that offered such a product line.  [embarassed]  Seriously, I hate to be so down on them, but they have failed to earn my respect by their actions, or lack there of. Imagine spending all the money to create the molds and production line and then not follow through... Looks like you just don't know what you are doing.

 

[Holmz]

It sounds like that exact argument could be used for the tops of the FT vacuums breaking or moulds and wrong materials.
The fact that they (DD) had been making them for years and there was only a problem with FT vacs seems peculiar.

 

[peter halle]

It sounds like that exact argument could be used for the tops of the FT vacuums breaking or moulds and wrong materials.
The fact that they (DD) had been making them for years and there was only a problem with FT vacs seems peculiar.

Perhaps the electronics in the Festool vacs were different / more advanced than before - most of the issues I have read about have been about the CT-26, 36 and not the 22, 33.

Festool and Fein are going to manufacture to their specs and it is up to the other companies to adapt/make.  Similar to the fact that I am making dinner and not caring about others-not-invited tastes / desires.

Peter

 

[Corwin]

It sounds like that exact argument could be used for the tops of the FT vacuums breaking or moulds and wrong materials.
The fact that they (DD) had been making them for years and there was only a problem with FT vacs seems peculiar.

But, Festool is not having a problem with their product. Oneida is. And in all these years, they still haven't figured out their error. Even after having been told several times, over and over, and year after year. Their 'fixes' look like a DIY project -- NOT something that should be sold commercially. They just don't get it, or so it would seem.

 

[Locks14]

I use a Bosch GAS 35 AFC. I tested it side by side at my local power tool dealer and it has noticeably better suction than the Fedtool CT36. The Bosch has 74 litres/second at 254 millibar vs. The CT 36's 65 litre per second at 240 millibar, which means the Bosch moves just under 14% more air than the Festool, but at the same time at nearly 6% higher pressure.

 

[peter halle]

I use a Bosch GAS 35 AFC. I tested it side by side at my local power tool dealer and it has noticeably better suction than the Fedtool CT36. The Bosch has 74 litres/second at 254 millibar vs. The CT 36's 65 litre per second at 240 millibar, which means the Bosch moves just under 14% more air than the Festool, but at the same time at nearly 6% higher pressure.

It appears that Bosch model is not available here in the US for the OP.

Peter

 

[Locks14]

I use a Bosch GAS 35 AFC. I tested it side by side at my local power tool dealer and it has noticeably better suction than the Fedtool CT36. The Bosch has 74 litres/second at 254 millibar vs. The CT 36's 65 litre per second at 240 millibar, which means the Bosch moves just under 14% more air than the Festool, but at the same time at nearly 6% higher pressure.

It appears that Bosch model is not available here in the US for the OP.

Peter

It appears it just has a different model number in the good ol' US of A, being Bosch VAC090A. Though running on your 110v diluted elastictrickery it might not be as good as the European 240v.

 

[blackemmons]

I'm learning a lot from this.  Thanks.   

 

[Doug S]

Not read all the reply's but to answer your question you need a decent extractor like festool or fein, a 5' hose, 1.5" diameter. Use correct technique, pull saw out past work piece before plunging down and pushing back. If you are cutting miters or bevels the dust extraction will be greatly reduced.

Doug

 

[Holmz]

I use a Bosch GAS 35 AFC. I tested it side by side at my local power tool dealer and it has noticeably better suction than the Fedtool CT36. The Bosch has 74 litres/second at 254 millibar vs. The CT 36's 65 litre per second at 240 millibar, which means the Bosch moves just under 14% more air than the Festool, but at the same time at nearly 6% higher pressure.

It appears that Bosch model is not available here in the US for the OP.

Peter

I doubt that there are many people with 230v vacuums in the US...
But it makes it easier to plug a NAINA tool in if you have one.

 

[sae]

It is available in the US, in 110v. Bosch renames all their model numbers for the US market for some reason, the rest of the world (Europe, Asia, Africa, etc.) all share the same numbering.

 

[Bohdan]

It is available in the US, in 110v. Bosch renames all their model numbers for the US market for some reason, the rest of the world (Europe, Asia, Africa, etc.) all share the same numbering.

Could be because they are 110v unlike the rest of the world.

 

[sae]

Could be because they are 110v unlike the rest of the world.

Their cordless tools follow the same goofiness.

And the consumables.

 

[AlexThePalex]

I do not have a Kapex so I have no personal experience, but with a saw like that I'd figure you want as much suction as possible.

Because of the large blade and open hood, dust is spewn around instead of being contained at the source, and the best way to collect dust in that situation is to have as much suction as you can get.

And Festool extractors are just not the strongest ones out there. They are very nice (I have two) and aimed at use with the small power tools, but for some applications they just lack the suction power and that's a bit disappointing.

There are many vacs out there that have stronger suction, like for instance the Bosch mentioned or the various Starmix vacs and clones you can get from Metabo, Hitachi or AEG.

 

[blackemmons]

I believe it was stated that the Bosch VAC090A was the US version of the Bosch GAS 35 AFC.  Upon checking the specs, they do not appear to be the same.  The Bosch VAC090A has less power if my sources are correct and is more like the Festool extractors.

???

 

[Locks14]

I believe it was stated that the Bosch VAC090A was the US version of the Bosch GAS 35 AFC.  Upon checking the specs, they do not appear to be the same.  The Bosch VAC090A has less power if my sources are correct and is more like the Festool extractors.

???

It is essentially the same machine. Just by the time it makes it over to the US and is a 110v machine that runs at a slightly different phase compared to 110v in Europe that is mostly run by step down transformers onsite, it loses a bit of its bite. 

Whether Bosch have been more astute in recognising the difference and Festool have just transferred the specs from 240v machines straight to US 110v machines or if Festool 110v US machines do in fact have exactly the same specs as the 240v European machine, I don't know.

All I can say for certain is the 240v European Bosch has noticeably better suction than the Festool equivalent CTL 36.

 

[Ed Bray]

I use a CTL Midi with a 50mm hose (about 3ft long) from the midi into an A/S Dust Deputy which sits on top of a plastic drum which has been fitted to a Systainer 1 base (and sits on the hose garage), from the A/S Dust Deputy I run a 36mm Hose of about 3ft long direct to the top of my KS120.

With the ordinary fence wings fitted I catch about 95% of the dust, with the wings with my zero clearance fence fitted, I am lucky if it collects 50% of the dust.