Mafell MT55 cc

[Cheese]

Got this from Timberwolf Tools today.

It includes the corded & cordless MT 55, the P1cc jigsaw and both Duo Dowelers. along with a whole bunch of other equipment.

"Exciting news to share with you! To celebrate their 125th anniversary, Mafell AG is taking $189.90 off the price of the next 125 in-stock power tools sold in the USA (since the company was founded in 1899).

To double-check which tools qualify, simply visit a Mafell product page and many will have this sticker above the normal list price:"

 

[Michael Kellough]

Just checked and the newer doweling machine isn’t listed.

Also checked out the upcoming cordless jigsaw. 4921 bare tool (including Systainer)! Over $1200 for the kit with batteries.

Also noticed that the description at the top says it can cut up to 7-15/16” deep with new blade.
The blades listed for sale max out at less than 5 inches.

 

[Cheese]

Michael, I just checked and both the DDF 40 & the DD 40P are listed. I don't know if there is a newer one than that?
https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-ddf40-duo-dowel-system
https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-dd40p-duo-dowel-system-120-v

I was eyeing up the cordless MT 55 & cordless P1 cc but not for that kind of money.

 

[Lincoln]

Just checked and the newer doweling machine isn’t listed.

Also checked out the upcoming cordless jigsaw. 4921 bare tool (including Systainer)! Over $1200 for the kit with batteries.

Also noticed that the description at the top says it can cut up to 7-15/16” deep with new blade.
The blades listed for sale max out at less than 5 inches.

The W9 jigsaw blade, in the description, is 220mm long.
Newer doweller - DDF40 - is listed.

 

[Michael Kellough]

The DDF 40 is the newer doweller.

I changed the display sort order to Price and the DDF 40 got stuck at the bottom of the list,
right after something that costs nearly $20 grand.

 

[Cheese]

Ya, I really wanted to take advantage of this offer but the $$ necessary to purchase the cordless MT 55 & the PC 1cc were over my budget, considering I purchased both of the corded versions of those tools for less than $1000.

But to this day, they are still the best of the best. I just think $300 for a single battery is completely whacky...unless of course it's a Stihl battery.  [big grin]

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

Ya, I really wanted to take advantage of this offer but the $$ necessary to purchase the cordless MT 55 & the PC 1cc were over my budget, considering I purchased both of the corded versions of those tools for less than $1000.

But to this day, they are still the best of the best. I just think $300 for a single battery is completely whacky...unless of course it's a Stihl battery.  [big grin]

Hi Cheese,

Have you looked into acquiring some Metabo batteries? Acme is selling the 5.5Ah for ~$170, though the 10Ah is in the ~$300 ballpark. I'm happily running my KSS40 on Metabo batteries, love that CAS system  [cool]

I build doors and windows, so I process a lot of 8/4 material, mostly Eastern White Pine, Sapele, and Vertical Grain Fir. The 8/4 Pine boards typically come in 14' lengths, 20" wide, which is too big to reasonably handle in my small shop, so I've been using my older KSS-400 to break the boards down prior to entering the Shop. The problem is that sometimes the 8/4 Pine is actually closer to 9/4, too thick to cut in one pass with my 400, so I've been looking at the KSS-60. The current sale brings the cost down closer to $1k, which is appealing. I have several hundred board feet to process again soon, perhaps another call to Timberwolf is in order soon....

 

[mkasdin]

I went through this decision before. The track system on the Mafell is better, user friendly? I’ve never personally owned the Mafell in question and Cheese points out the reasons it gets the nod. I ended up selling my older TS-55 and getting the newer ts55 with the thinner kerf blade. I already had the Festool HKC 55.

The Cubrix motor on the Maffel is very good and some years ago it got ungraded with extra power. Call TimberWolf the USA distributior they are very nice people. If I ever get some extra spending money I would buy the Maffel jigsaw.

FWIW Maffel caters to a different wood market than Festool. Their batteries are part of the EU standard platform Metabo. Here in the USA you need to buy batteries for every manufacturer so I no longer own dewalt or Milwaukee. The Festool batteries aren’t cheap and they are made in China

 

[jeh]

I went through this decision before. The track system on the Mafell is better, user friendly? I’ve never personally owned the Mafell in question and Cheese points out the reasons it gets the nod. I ended up selling my older TS-55 and getting the newer ts55 with the thinner kerf blade. I already had the Festool HKC 55.

The Cubrix motor on the Maffel is very good and some years ago it got ungraded with extra power. Call TimberWolf the USA distributior they are very nice people. If I ever get some extra spending money I would buy the Maffel jigsaw.

FWIW Maffel caters to a different wood market than Festool. Their batteries are part of the EU standard platform Metabo. Here in the USA you need to buy batteries for every manufacturer so I no longer own dewalt or Milwaukee. The Festool batteries aren’t cheap and they are made in China

Autocorrect probably got you...the name of the motor is CUprex.

The track system is definitely better and as a bonus the Mafell MT series saws (and probably some of their others) can use Festool rails. The main advantage is joining rails requires nothing but their connector. No gadgets needed.

Mafell definitely has a different target market which is why there are not many tools in each category, usually one or two with the exception of circular saws. Timber framing looks like a major focus point.

CAS batteries cover 40 brands and something more than 400 tools (from the website). I'll speculate the EU was possibly involved in pushing this or Mafell and others took pre-emptive action before it was required. The way the EU operates in terms of imposing broad reaching rules/laws I could see this being mandated by them. I don't think that is the way to go. Having a common platform available really helps out companies with a handful of tools since they do not have spend money on battery design. I'd like to think that the various companies are sharing their battery IP with Metabo to get the best possible result. I have the corded and cordless MT 55's and the battery on the cordless performs as good as other battery powered tools I have. No complaints.

Their stuff is pricier than Festool. I have several of their tools: DuoDoweller, both MT's, JigSaw, LO 55 router and an MF 26 cc Multi-cutter. The latter is somewhat unique.

 

[Packard]

As I mentioned before, last fall I ripped a bunch of maple with the Mafell 48 tooth blade. I placed the saw back in the systainer and this spring this is what the blade looked like.

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I used some Permatex gel to clean it up and it removed the rust but the phosphoric acid in the Permatex turned it black. I then attached some green Vlies to an ETS EC 125 and that finished the cleaning process nicely with a final coating of Boeshield.

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I wrote about VCI (Vapor Corrosion Inhibitor) paper in another thread just this morning.  We used to use this stuff to control rust while we were waiting to send the parts out for plating.

The paper emits a vapor that will combine with the free oxygen in a closed container (like, for instance, a Systainer.  The vapor (harmless to breath) is emitted by the paper and is heavier than air, so it settles in the closed container. 

Nothing is applied to the surfaces of the metal.  It simply removes the oxygen from the closed container.

This works best for things like your saw blades that are not accessed frequently.  If you keep opening the container, you will have to replace the paper more frequently. 

Our company bought these sheets directly from the manufacturer.  However, both U-Line and Amazon sell it in smaller quantities.
https://www.uline.com/Grp_89/VCI-Pr...mZqAow47M7j22mRVmQ_2jIf8QdE5iKjkaAjJjEALw_wcB

It is interesting to note that almost all corrugated carton material emits sulfur, and since that gas is also heavier than air, it settles to the bottom of the carton.  It wreaks havoc on finishes.  Worse yet, because the gas settles to the bottom, just the pieces on the bottom are affected.  It gives the appearance that we were burying the bad parts on the bottoms of cartons. 

At any rate, throw a sheet of the paper (looks like heavy duty brown kraft paper) in a Systainer, and you will not see this type of rusting again.

Do note, if the blade is especially clean of oils, rust will start to form almost immediately.  You can see rust form on very clean steel in just a few hours if it is humid out there. 

Brake rotors show that effect.  They are constantly wiped clean and if left outside on a rainy day, the next morning you will start to see rust.

Go back and wipe some WD40 on those nice clean saw blades.

 

[Cheese]

Got this from Timberwolf Tools today.

It includes the corded & cordless MT 55, the P1cc jigsaw and both Duo Dowelers. along with a whole bunch of other equipment.

"Exciting news to share with you! To celebrate their 125th anniversary, Mafell AG is taking $189.90 off the price of the next 125 in-stock power tools sold in the USA (since the company was founded in 1899).

To double-check which tools qualify, simply visit a Mafell product page and many will have this sticker above the normal list price:"

Just went back to the Timberwolf website to check on some items and noticed that the Mafell P1 CC jigsaw is no longer offered with a $190 discount, it's now a straight-up $715 to own one. It's certainly worthwhile if you use a jiggy on a lot of projects, but otherwise it may require some serious work introspection to pull the pin.  [smile]

 

[lilb93]

If the TS55 size works better for you, the Mafell sounds like a solid option, more power and cheaper. The Festool rails should work fine, so no need to sell.

 

[Fourmi]

The track system is definitely better and as a bonus the Mafell MT series saws (and probably some of their others) can use Festool rails. The main advantage is joining rails requires nothing but their connector. No gadgets needed.

Only the MT55cc and the cordless MT5518BL work on the Festool rails

 

[Fourmi]

CAS batteries cover 40 brands and something more than 400 tools (from the website). I'll speculate the EU was possibly involved in pushing this or Mafell and others took pre-emptive action before it was required. The way the EU operates in terms of imposing broad reaching rules/laws I could see this being mandated by them.

The CAS battery system was not mandated, this was a Metabo initiative. It has since been 'copied' by Bosch who have released the Ampshare battery system. These two battery systems combined cover quite a lot of high end tool manufacturers.

Interestingly, there are rumours the EU are planning to mandate a single battery type for power tools... we'll see how that pans out.