Measuring and Marking Video

[Stone Message]

Hi Everyone

I have been meaning to make a video about measuring and marking for a while and was spurred into action when Peter Sefton lent me some of his Igaging products. I cover much more than those items in the video. I hope it will be of interest.

Here is the link:



Peter

 

[dltflt]

Thanks Peter for another informative video.

 

[sancho57]

Well double P ya just about sold me on that angle gauge . I'm going to have a look at it.

Seems like it can come in handy when using my CMS TS 75 kit and ensuring my Kapex blade is zero'd more accurately then using my small WP mini square.

I went to his shop, it looks like he's got a lot more stuff then he did the last time I looked.

All reasonably priced to I might add.

He's got some things I've been looking for and something's I didn't know about but could definitely use.

I'm going to be placing a order very soon.

 

[Stone Message]

Well double P ya just about sold me on that angle gauge . I'm going to have a look at it.

Seems like it can come in handy when using my CMS TS 75 kit and ensuring my Kapex blade is zero'd more accurately then using my small WP mini square.

I went to his shop, it looks like he's got a lot more stuff then he did the last time I looked.

All reasonably priced to I might add.

He's got some things I've been looking for and something's I didn't know about but could definitely use.

I'm going to be placing a order very soon.

Hi Ron

He does have some particularly nice items, some of which are hard to find in the UK or Europe. I think he is also extending his stock of Incra and introducing more Igaging devices.

I am going to try and make it to the D&M Show - 10 Oct at Kempton Park.

Peter

 

[clark_fork]

Peter:

Thanks for the update:

You might hold these truths to be self-evident that all men understand how to read a mm tape measure, but some of your American cousins are sorely lacking and confounded. A two minute, perhaps chalk talk, of tips might be ever so useful to some of us imperial cripples in the former colonies.

When I unrolled my recently purchased Hultafors 9MM tape, I looked at the tape and said, Uh oh?

 

[jacko9]

Nice video Peter.  I also use known accurate reference standards to check daily shop tools that I purchase.

Jack

 

[sancho57]

Well double P ya just about sold me on that angle gauge . I'm going to have a look at it.

Seems like it can come in handy when using my CMS TS 75 kit and ensuring my Kapex blade is zero'd more accurately then using my small WP mini square.

I went to his shop, it looks like he's got a lot more stuff then he did the last time I looked.

All reasonably priced to I might add.

He's got some things I've been looking for and something's I didn't know about but could definitely use.

I'm going to be placing a order very soon.

Hi Ron

He does have some particularly nice items, some of which are hard to find in the UK or Europe. I think he is also extending his stock of Incra and introducing more Igaging devices.

I am going to try and make it to the D&M Show - 10 Oct at Kempton Park.

Peter

I hope to make it. I'll be coming back from the Munich Bier fest Oct 2-3 so if I'm sober enough or I can get Green Fever to drive.....

 

[jbasen]

Another great video Peter.

Unfortunately, it just cost me a bunch of money.  I have always been very careful about making sure all my rulers are very accurate and already regularly use a dial caliper for checking smaller distances.  On the other hand, I had never double checked my squares until now.  Sigh. 

It is amazing any of my furniture came together well given how off most of my squares are.  I now have 3 new Woodpeckers squares on order and next time I go to the hardware I'll be looking for a new framing square.  I'll go through the entire stack in the store until I find one that is accurate.  Mine was so far out I couldn't even get it to square using a punch to expand the metal at the corner to change the angle.  [scared]

As I said, an expensive day and all that money doesn't even get me any new green tools [eek]

 

[Birdhunter]

Look at the Woodpeckers framing square. It's an amazing useful tool.

 

[jbasen]

Look at the Woodpeckers framing square. It's an amazing useful tool.

Thanks.  I'll take a look

 

[eddomak]

I just had a look at the igaging calipers, and wondering if anyone knows the difference between the version mentioned in the video OriginCal and the cheaper EZ Cal version?

From the websites it seems as though the OriginCal does not need zeroing first, and can be connected to USB, but both are made to just as accurate a standard? It also looks as though the cheaper version has markings for manual readings?

 

[cortes]

Thanks Peter for the video. I've watched a number of your videos and they have all been informative. I tried your square comparison technique and found my beautiful Bridge City Rosewood squares don't agree with my Woodpecker squares. I'm sure they were more accurate when I bought them, but it's time to retire them.

 

[Stone Message]

Thanks Peter for the video. I've watched a number of your videos and they have all been informative. I tried your square comparison technique and found my beautiful Bridge City Rosewood squares don't agree with my Woodpecker squares. I'm sure they were more accurate when I bought them, but it's time to retire them.

For years I was frustrated that I just could not match the quality of the work done by my brother. I got rid of my old radial arm saw as it was impossible to created square cuts and I was forever adjusting it. Then things improved a huge amount when I moved to Festool and it was about that time that I discovered that my squares were miles out. Dad's old 12" and 6" squares were absolutely useless and it broke my heart to think that in his latter years he did not notice. I have convinced myself that they were probably okay when he was using them seriously.

When I made that shock discovery I went to 3 different shops to replace them and could not find a single square that was right. The least expensive way to get the accuracy is with an engineer's square. That large 12" one was about £56 here in the UK.

Festool has really transformed my woodwork but those super tools must be accompanied by the very best measuring and marking kit.

Peter

 

[jacko9]

I wanted a straight edge for daily shop use and spotted a Rabone Chesterman No. 92B one meter straight edge at a local retailer.  I just happened to bring my 3' Starrett Machinist precision straight edge along with me and asked the clerk to let me see several of the Chesterman straight edges.  I checked 10 of them and only found 2 of them that were even close to straight (and I bought them).  You should have seen the look I was getting from the store clerks while I was checking their stock.

Jack

 

[Stephen B]

[size=13pt]Two weeks ago we were restocking the Hardware Store where I work following a change of ownership. I noticed that in the tool section a colleague was looking bemused at a collection of medium quality, but non the less Chinese levels. Yep, straight as any could be after a 'serious' fork lift incident. [eek]

And no they were not stocked!

In 5 years of PT  timber and hardware sales experience, I have never had 'Peter Parfitt' come in and check the accuracy of squares, tape measures and levels. But funny how many of these same customers are so fastidious that the timber they purchase is dimensionally correct and straight.  [smile]
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[member=11196]Peter Parfitt[/member]

 

[jbasen]

I was in a hardware store today.  They had one framing square in stock.  I was checking if it was square and a manager I know asked me what I was doing.  I explained the process and he watched.  His jaw dropped when he saw how off from square it was.  Needless to say he didn't put it back on the rack.

 

[bkharman]

Hi Everyone

I have been meaning to make a video about measuring and marking for a while and was spurred into action when Peter Sefton lent me some of his Igaging products. I cover much more than those items in the video. I hope it will be of interest.

Here is the link:

Peter

Hey Peter!

It has been a while since we last spoke but I am glad to see you looking dapper as ever!

Thanks for the tips. I have been eyeing the igaging height gauge for a while. I think you just sold it for me.

Another great video mate!

Cheers. Bryan.

 

[Birdhunter]

After watching Peter's video, I decided to check some of my measuring tools. All the Woodpecker squares and rules were dead on. I checked my inexpensive digital slide caliper against a set of reference blocks. Wow! It not only was way off, but I got different results depending what part of the jaws I used. My Starrett digital micrometer was dead on. I ordered a Starrett digital slide caliper and it was perfect.

The cheap slide caliper will be retired.

I have 5-6 tape measures that I will check next.

My thanks to Peter for bringing my attention to the need to check my measuring tools.

 

[Cheese]

It happens to the best of them. Long before Woodpeckers started making precision framing squares (think 15-18 years ago) I decided to purchase a Starrett framing square because my 2 Stanleys were trash. Starrett is my go-to precision tool maker of choice, bar none. Purchased the Starrett, checked it against granite blocks and it was way out of spec. Talked to the rep and he replaced it with another. I checked the new one and it too was out of spec. 3 Starrett's later and I finally got one that was right.

Lesson learned, never assume that just because you paid big $$ or the name is prestigious that the measuring tool will be within the manufacturer's tolerance. Check them...I still check every new Woodpecker arrival.

 

[jbasen]

I went to Home Depot yesterday to get a replacement framing square as the one I had at home was way off from square.  I did the best I could to try and validate in the store that the one I was buying was perfectly square.  Unfortunately when I got home and could really check it closely I found it was off.  It wouldn't be so bad except that the closest home depot is a 1 1/2 hour drive  [sad]

I'd order one from Amazon and save myself the drive but I have no confidence that the one they would send me would be any good.

I wish someone made one that was decent and you could trust.