Measuring and Marking Video

[Birdhunter]

My Woodpecker framing square is absolutely square. Very expensive and very square and very substantial.

 

[jbasen]

My Woodpecker framing square is absolutely square. Very expensive and very square and very substantial.

I would buy one if it were available.  Unfortunately, the framing square was a one time tool and is no longer listed for sale on the woodpecker web site.

 

[ewils91]

Hi there, you can adjust a framing square with a center punch. My shop teacher and my father showed me how to do this. There are many videos on YouTube that can explain the process better than i can explain it here. You might want to give it a try, but you are merely opening or closing the tongue and blade by displacing the metal where the two intersect.

 

[jbasen]

Hi there, you can adjust a framing square with a center punch. My shop teacher and my father showed me how to do this. There are many videos on YouTube that can explain the process better than i can explain it here. You might want to give it a try, but you are merely opening or closing the tongue and blade by displacing the metal where the two intersect.

Thanks.  I'm aware of the process.  I have a hard time with the concept of beating on a brand new framing square with a hammer when it should have been square out of the box.  In addition, once I take a hammer to it, if I have any trouble with the process, I just created a piece of scrap metal for the garbage and can't return it to the store where I bought it.

To me, the process of hammering on it to make it square should be reserved for after I get clumsy and drop it.

 

[Bob Wolfe]

Lee valley sells two framing squares, accurate to within .001, one made in the US, the other in Japan, I happen to have the Japanese one for a number of years, had to tweak it once, nice tool.

 

[Cheese]

My Woodpecker framing square is absolutely square. Very expensive and very square and very substantial.

Ya I've checked all of the items from them and they're dead nuts. Pretty impressive. In absolute terms, Starrett is still the gold standard, but the price is 4-5x what Woodpeckers offers and I've not had an issue with any of the Woodpecker products. As much as some people malign Woodpeckers because of their One Time Tool program, I think they've done an exemplary job of bringing affordable accuracy to the masses. Considering a Starrett 24" Master Precision Square costs over $1500 while basically the same Woodpecker product costs $200, that's cheap. People need to quit complaining about the delivery dates and start appreciating the fact that the accuracy that was once the provinence of tool and die shops, is now affordable to the average Joe. Quit whining.

 

[jbasen]

Lee valley sells two framing squares, accurate to within .001, one made in the US, the other in Japan, I happen to have the Japanese one for a number of years, had to tweak it once, nice tool.

Thanks.  I'll take a look

 

[Birdhunter]

I got my Woodpeckers framing square as well as a couple of other discontinued one-time tools by calling their office and asking if they had any left over.

 

[jbasen]

I got my Woodpeckers framing square as well as a couple of other discontinued one-time tools by calling their office and asking if they had any left over.

Thanks.  Worth a try

 

[Cheese]

[member=18233]jbasen[/member]
I've copied a recent e-mail from Woodpeckers below that may be of interest. Currently they're offering the 6 x 4 and 8 x 5 squares, will probably become a weekly thing. Just subscribe to their e-mails for the latest updates and info.

Woodpeckers: "Our OneTIME Tool Program is designed around a premise that we will make just enough of a particular tool to fill the demand in a given period of time.  That being said, we have to make a few extras in order to support unexpected mishaps along the way.  Since our first OneTIME Tool back in 2010, we have managed to fill up a surprising amount of space in our warehouse with these tools of different varieties. 

We are now faced with a decision to make.  1) Move to a larger facility.  2) Add on to our warehouse. 3) Throw the tools in the dumpster. 4) Offer the tools to those who may have missed out on them.  We like option 4 the best….

We have a very limited number of each tool available.  In order to make sure we don’t oversell beyond our available inventory, THIS IS AN INTERNET SALE ONLY.  WE CANNOT ACCEPT PHONE ORDERS OR ORDERS VIA EMAIL.  NO BACKORDERS.
We are also featuring our innovative Woodpeckers Variable Pressure Featherboards this week. These American Made Featherboards have a very unique feature that allows you to adjust the pressure without changing the vertical position! 

SALE ENDS 8.18.15 at midnight."

 

[mike_aa]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member], [member=18233]jbasen[/member],

Unfortunately, when I checked yesterday, Woodpeckers was already sold out of the squares.

Mike A.

 

[jbasen]

[member=18233]jbasen[/member]
I've copied a recent e-mail from Woodpeckers below that may be of interest. Currently they're offering the 6 x 4 and 8 x 5 squares, will probably become a weekly thing. Just subscribe to their e-mails for the latest updates and info.

Woodpeckers: "Our OneTIME Tool Program is designed around a premise that we will make just enough of a particular tool to fill the demand in a given period of time.  That being said, we have to make a few extras in order to support unexpected mishaps along the way.  Since our first OneTIME Tool back in 2010, we have managed to fill up a surprising amount of space in our warehouse with these tools of different varieties. 

We are now faced with a decision to make.  1) Move to a larger facility.  2) Add on to our warehouse. 3) Throw the tools in the dumpster. 4) Offer the tools to those who may have missed out on them.  We like option 4 the best….

We have a very limited number of each tool available.  In order to make sure we don’t oversell beyond our available inventory, THIS IS AN INTERNET SALE ONLY.  WE CANNOT ACCEPT PHONE ORDERS OR ORDERS VIA EMAIL.  NO BACKORDERS.
We are also featuring our innovative Woodpeckers Variable Pressure Featherboards this week. These American Made Featherboards have a very unique feature that allows you to adjust the pressure without changing the vertical position! 

SALE ENDS 8.18.15 at midnight."

Thanks Cheese.  I already purchased their smaller squares to replace some old antique stanley squares I had been naive to think were still accurate.  Right now I'm just looking for a larger framing square.

 

[jbasen]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member], [member=18233]jbasen[/member],

Unfortunately, when I checked yesterday, Woodpeckers was already sold out of the squares.

Mike A.

Thanks mike_aa.  Saves me the trouble of calling them on Monday.  I guess the only alternative is one of the squares from Lee Valley as suggested by Bob Wolfe.  I'll continue to look around over the weekend but will probably end up ordering one.

 

[mike_aa]

[member=18233]jbasen[/member],

If you are looking for smaller squares, Woodpeckers also stocks a slightly different version of the sold-out left over one-time tools they had in this week's special.  I think they also have a 1281 that they stock.  Check their website.

I believe Incra also sells one similar to the Woodpecker's 640/641.

Mike A.
 

 

[jbasen]

[member=18233]jbasen[/member],

If you are looking for smaller squares, Woodpeckers also stocks a slightly different version of the sold-out left over one-time tools they had in this week's special.  I think they also have a 1281 that they stock.  Check their website.

I believe Incra also sells one similar to the Woodpecker's 640/641.

Mike A.

Thanks Mike A

I have an order, arriving on Monday, from Shop Woodpeckers for a 641, 851, and 1281.  I had a full set from 4" to 12" of antique Stanley squares with rosewood handles.  When I double checked them after Peter's video I found I really shouldn't have been using them and found a collector that wanted them.  That sale is financing a good portion of my Woodpecker's purchase  [smile]

I just need an accurate, large framing square as I find it very useful for sheet goods. 

On a recent project, before watching Peter's video, I was scratching my head looking for the source of the inaccuracy in my cuts on plywood that I had to deal with during assembly.  Peter's video opened my eyes as to exactly where the issue was. 

 

[Cheese]

[member=18233]jbasen[/member]

Woodpeckers: "We have a very limited number of each tool available."

My read is that there are still some large precision squares that will be available for purchase at some time. That's the reason I suggested that you sign up for the e-mails so that you'll know immediately when they become available.

 

[jbasen]

[member=18233]jbasen[/member]

Woodpeckers: "We have a very limited number of each tool available."

My read is that there are still some large precision squares that will be available for purchase at some time. That's the reason I suggested that you sign up for the e-mails so that you'll know immediately when they become available.

I apologize.  I didn't mention that I already do get there emails. 

 

[jbasen]

[member=18233]jbasen[/member],

If you are looking for smaller squares, Woodpeckers also stocks a slightly different version of the sold-out left over one-time tools they had in this week's special.  I think they also have a 1281 that they stock.  Check their website.

I believe Incra also sells one similar to the Woodpecker's 640/641.

Mike A.

Thanks Mike A

I have an order, arriving on Monday, from Shop Woodpeckers for a 641, 851, and 1281.  I had a full set from 4" to 12" of antique Stanley squares with rosewood handles.  When I double checked them after Peter's video I found I really shouldn't have been using them and found a collector that wanted them.  That sale is financing a good portion of my Woodpecker's purchase  [smile]

I just need an accurate, large framing square as I find it very useful for sheet goods. 

On a recent project, before watching Peter's video, I was scratching my head looking for the source of the inaccuracy in my cuts on plywood that I had to deal with during assembly.  Peter's video opened my eyes as to exactly where the issue was.

I just wanted to follow up on this.  As I said earlier I purchased the Woodpecker's 641, 851, and 1281.  They arrived and are great.  I found 3 solutions for larger squares

1) Woodpeckers 1 time tool - 26" Precision square
2) Chappell Universal Square (http://chappellsquare.com/)
3) Shop Fox D3071 24" Aluminum Square

The Woodpecker's square was a one time tool and is no longer available.  I then considered the Chappell.  It is clearly a quality product but I prefer a square that isn't crafted out of a single, flat piece of metal.  I like a square that has a thicker leg so it butts up against the work piece.  Unfortunately, the shop fox square reviews are mixed.  Some people found it to be perfectly accurate while others found it wasn't.  My decision was to purchase 5 of the shop fox squares from Amazon with the goal of finding at least one that was square and to return the others.  I didn't want to purchase them one at a time as I had an issue with Amazon a few years ago where a product shipped in 2 boxes.  They only sent me one of the boxes, and when I did a return and wanted a replacement they kept just sending me the same single box back.  It took 3 rounds of returns before I finally got a shipment with both boxes. 

I can report that 4 out of the 5 Shop Fox squares were perfectly square.  One wasn't close.  The quality of the construction of the square is very good.  And, even with the return shipping I'm saving a considerable amount of money compared to the Woodpeckers or the Chappell squares.

Thanks again to Peter for his video.

 

[bertv]

Well, on account of Peters video I compared a few measuring devices and did that open my eyes: a Stanley tape measure compared to a BMI one and a typographers rule (brass, I guess, had that one for over 40 years) and for the sake of complexity a few acrylic rulers, has shown me that the Stanley tape measure is off by around half a mm per 30 cm. Damn, I own four of those!

Now I need to check all of the measuring devices I have and label them for ok or not. Should take me no more than a day, I guess.

 

[Lbob131]

When you do a 5 cut  calibration  on your  table saw sled  or slider  and the  final  off cut is  within .0001  of an inch  then  you could  calibrate  your squares from this?