More HVLP Help - Orange Peel

[tjbnwi]

Tom - What was the process in finishing your doors. I'm assuming a SW KA+ sealer, SW stain, and SW KA+ finish?

Spray, wipe SW BAC stain.

SW KA+ Sanding sealer, 1 coat, sanded with ETS 125-320 Granat

SW KA+ MRE, 2 coats, sanded 320 Granat between coats, no sand on top coat.

Tom

 

[junk731]

Hello Chris I have used M.L Campbell Aqualente Lacquers and is simlar to the Kem Aqua. I found the Kem Aqua dried harder and had a lower sheen that I liked. I thought the ML Cambell had more sheen then I was looking for, all a personal preference lol
I do use there Aqualente stainblocking primer and sands well
I'm very close to a SW store so it is very convenient, my pricing for the Kem Aqua is around $48 Cad and BM advanced $60
The Ml Campbell Lacquer cost me around $75 and primer $58 and is a 1/2-3/4 drive.
I have not used the Kem Aqua plus but planning to do so in the near future
I'm sure there are other great lacquers out there but I'm just comfortable with the Kem Aqua

Bruce

Bruce

I recently switched from using General opaque and ML Campbell Aqualente opaque. The aqualente opaque was a terrible inconsistent product and General seems to have changed their formula for opaques so it takes much longer to dry. Both became a pain to use and are a stupid price. The SW stuff and the support from the commercial division in Brampton is great. The products are great to use are you can order whatever colour/sheen you want. I tried a couple of the SW store fronts in the past and like most storefronts they had no clue when it came to the sprayable lacquers. I've also switched from using Target coatings to a SW euroline product called Sayerlac, saved me $30.00 a gallon and is another good product to work with.

John

 

[brewster201]

Thanks John I will check Sayerlac out. Wondering if I can it order from my SW dealer in Hamilton/Ancaster.

Bruce

 

[Scott B.]

I mostly see orange peel when sprayed product tacks up before it can fully lay down.

This can be controlled by making sure that your environment is proper for the product. If it is too warm or too much air flow in the room, product dries faster. Environment and amount sprayed are usually culprits with the products that I use.

Technique can come into play with HVLP. Too many passes introduces too much air at the surface, and HVLP air can be warm which can prematurely heat up the product that is trying to lay down.

 

[wptski]

Technique can come into play with HVLP. Too many passes introduces too much air at the surface, and HVLP air can be warm which can prematurely heat up the product that is trying to lay down.

After Fuji introduced their new 5-stage turbines they added this heat dissipating hose .

 

[tjbnwi]

Technique can come into play with HVLP. Too many passes introduces too much air at the surface, and HVLP air can be warm which can prematurely heat up the product that is trying to lay down.

After Fuji introduced their new 5-stage turbines they added this heat dissipating hose .

As I understand it the heat dissipation is built into the turbine on the Q5. I read the specs as it cools the turbine, not the air cap air temperature.

The 6' leader hose that comes with the unit came with the Q4. It's a leader used between the main hose and the gun. I use a 25' leader hose, rarely have the heavier (blue) hose on the unit.
http://www.amazon.com/25-HVLP-Turbine-Air-Hose/dp/B000LDN0EO

Tom

 

[wptski]

As I understand it the heat dissipation is built into the turbine on the Q5. I read the specs as it cools the turbine, not the air cap air temperature.

The 6' leader hose that comes with the unit came with the Q4. It's a leader used between the main hose and the gun. I use a 25' leader hose, rarely have the heavier (blue) hose on the unit.
http://www.amazon.com/25-HVLP-Turbine-Air-Hose/dp/B000LDN0EO

Tom

That heat dissipating hose is included with all Fuji 5-stage systems now.

 

[tjbnwi]

As I understand it the heat dissipation is built into the turbine on the Q5. I read the specs as it cools the turbine, not the air cap air temperature.

The 6' leader hose that comes with the unit came with the Q4. It's a leader used between the main hose and the gun. I use a 25' leader hose, rarely have the heavier (blue) hose on the unit.
http://www.amazon.com/25-HVLP-Turbine-Air-Hose/dp/B000LDN0EO

Tom

That heat dissipating hose is included with all Fuji 5-stage systems now.

Guess they have not updated their website showing it's included.
http://www.fujispray.com/hvlp-systems/

Tom

 

[wptski]

Guess they have not updated their website showing it's included.
http://www.fujispray.com/hvlp-systems/

Tom

I got that from Roger Phelps but he has some contradicting info now there.  It mentions that the short heat hose comes with all 5-stages systems but under the 5-stage systems it states that it comes with 25' High Temp Hose (No need for a Heat hose)!  He's had mistakes before which I've caught and he corrected so this just might be another one.

 

[Scott B.]

[/quote]

As I understand it the heat dissipation is built into the turbine on the Q5. I read the specs as it cools the turbine, not the air cap air temperature.

The 6' leader hose that comes with the unit came with the Q4. It's a leader used between the main hose and the gun. I use a 25' leader hose, rarely have the heavier (blue) hose on the unit.
http://www.amazon.com/25-HVLP-Turbine-Air-Hose/dp/B000LDN0EO

Tom
[/quote]

I think this is the key point.

Leader hose or "whip" sections do nothing to cool the air passing through to the cap.  They are less likely to melt and deform (this has happened to us at the turbine end of the main line in the past) and tending the hose while operating the gun is more practical.

Most HVLP's (I think with the exception of the Earlex) that we have ever used have had whips.

It would be cool if there was a hose that would cool the air inside it though. But wouldn't that cause condensation and then we'd need to add an inline moisture trap at the gun?

[blink]

 

[wptski]

I think this is the key point.

Leader hose or "whip" sections do nothing to cool the air passing through to the cap.  They are less likely to melt and deform (this has happened to us at the turbine end of the main line in the past) and tending the hose while operating the gun is more practical.

Most HVLP's (I think with the exception of the Earlex) that we have ever used have had whips.

It would be cool if there was a hose that would cool the air inside it though. But wouldn't that cause condensation and then we'd need to add an inline moisture trap at the gun?

[blink]

I always thought that was one additional function of a whip, dissipate heat also?

I've had a 6' whip blow off repeatedly while on a 25' hose while outside in the sun while I was spraying in the shade.  I also had a 10' whip connected to the 6'.  I swapped them and it didn't blow off again.

 

[tjbnwi]

As I understand it the heat dissipation is built into the turbine on the Q5. I read the specs as it cools the turbine, not the air cap air temperature.

The 6' leader hose that comes with the unit came with the Q4. It's a leader used between the main hose and the gun. I use a 25' leader hose, rarely have the heavier (blue) hose on the unit.
http://www.amazon.com/25-HVLP-Turbine-Air-Hose/dp/B000LDN0EO

Tom
[/quote]

I think this is the key point.

Leader hose or "whip" sections do nothing to cool the air passing through to the cap.  They are less likely to melt and deform (this has happened to us at the turbine end of the main line in the past) and tending the hose while operating the gun is more practical.

Most HVLP's (I think with the exception of the Earlex) that we have ever used have had whips.

It would be cool if there was a hose that would cool the air inside it though. But wouldn't that cause condensation and then we'd need to add an inline moisture trap at the gun?

[blink]
[/quote]

Being a feeble old man, the main hose is to heavy for me. That's why I use just the 25' leader in most cases.

Tom

 

[wptski]

I got that from Roger Phelps but he has some contradicting info now there.  It mentions that the short heat hose comes with all 5-stages systems but under the 5-stage systems it states that it comes with 25' High Temp Hose (No need for a Heat hose)!  He's had mistakes before which I've caught and he corrected so this just might be another one.

Roger Phelps says that when the Fuji 5-stage first came out a 3' heat hose was included but now replaced with a 25' heat hose.