New Bosch Professional Mobile Power Unit

[six-point socket]

Hi all,

Bosch introduced a Mobile Power Unit at todays press event based on lithium iron phosphate technology.

It stores up to 1650 Watt hours and has a constant output of 1500W.

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This relates to fully charging a 4AH battery up to 9 times, a 6AH battery up to 6 times, the new 9AH batteries can be fully charged up to 4 times. Or the GSH 5 CE demolition hammer could be used for 90 minutes straight.

It takes the mobile power unit up to 3.5 hrs to be fully charged.

This is something I have waited for, for a long time and certainly offers more possibilities down the road than currently described. I'm really looking forward to it and will definitely add it to my stable of tools. I will have real, extensive use for it once a certain project works out - which I'm also looking forward to.

It comes to Europe at a price point of about 2500 Euros (Mobile Power Unit + Trolley) excluding VAT/tax, should be available from February 2016.

Here's the full press release: http://www.bosch-presse.de/presseforum/details.htm?txtID=7398&tk_id=112

(Hope a posting like this is not against the rules?)

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[DB10]

I like the concept as I often work away from any power in remote area's.
I try to be as cordless as possible but a noisy - ish, generator is not too much of a problem.
But to translate that Euro price into Aus dollars, if it was released down here and it would cost us about 5k and you can buy a lot of 5&6 ah batteries for that or a very good Geni and extra batteries.

If you buy one let us know how it works out.

 

[jmbfestool]

I like the concept as I often work away from any power in remote area's.
I try to be as cordless as possible but a noisy - ish, generator is not too much of a problem.
But to translate that Euro price into Aus dollars, if it was released down here and it would cost us about 5k and you can buy a lot of 5&6 ah batteries for that or a very good Geni and extra batteries.

If you buy one let us know how it works out.

I was thinking the same thing.

If it chargers a battery 9 times.

I rather buy another 9 batteries.

Batteries eventually die....hold less charge etc

Now having one large expensive battery to replace would be a killer. Plus you still need to replace your tool batteries when they die.

Having  9 new separate batteries on top of the batteries you get with your tools would be a lot cheaper in the short run and in the long run when it comes to replacing them but also more than often they won't all die off at the same time it wil be one by one. So as one dies you buy another making it a small cost over a period of time.

I don't know much about this but lithium batteries can only be charged so many times.
So a larger battery can it be charged more times than a smaller battery??
I have always thought it would be the same regardless how big because in theory just the same just more batteries.

Let's say the larger bosch power battery can be charged 1000x then it dies
The smaller tool battery can be charged 1000x then dies

If you have 9 separate batteries you can 9000x before they all die.

The Bosch power battery will charge 9 batteries so it would be able to charge 9000 batteries over its life span.
so you would have to be buying 9 batteries and a Bosch power unit.

Disclaimer My figures were made up I was just trying to get a point across some one with more idea about lithium and their live span could chip in. Maybe a large battery can be charged a lot more times I don't know.

 

[Bohdan]

For charging batteries the economics are probably not there but remember it can battery power a power hungry corded tool such as a router or CT.

 

[Kev]

This looks like a solution looking for a problem [huh]

As a clean way of powering mains tools without a mains supply sure .. but as JMB is pointing out, it's cheaper just to buy more batteries if your running cordless tools.

 

[Brice Burrell]

This looks like a solution looking for a problem [huh]

As a clean way of powering mains tools without a mains supply sure .. but as JMB is pointing out, it's cheaper just to buy more batteries if your running cordless tools.

Looking at the picture posted it seems this might be aimed at landscapers.  I'd guess the 36v batteries for lawn equipment are far more expensive and would add up fast.  If that's the case then the Mobile Power Unit might be a less costly option than multiple batteries.

Another factor is time involved to charge the nine batteries in JMB's example.  Assuming you don't have power on your jobsite you'll need to charge all nine batteries at home each night.  Who wants to spend their own time charging batteries?  I think I'd rather charge one unit than nine batteries.

 

[Timtool]

This looks like a solution looking for a problem [huh]

Same here, to justify that expense you need to be working off grid quite often. And my guess is that those people already have a generator or thermal/gas powered tools.
And then the capacity is quite limited, it's still not something you can rely on all day. Looks like half a solution for a problems that already have better solutions

 

[six-point socket]

I still think it is a step in the right direction.

Right now this is excessively promoted for Garden and Landscaping Pro's who have to work "off grid" on larger premises and also especially in noise sensitive environments. Because the combination of the Bosch battery powered lawn mowers and the GEN 230-1500 are quiet compared to a traditional generator and electrical mower or gas operated mower.

Also when calculating, please keep in mind that we are talking about 36V batteries in first place. So current EUR street prices of a 36V 4AH battery is 150,00 Euro, the 6AH is 370,00 and the 9AH (suggested retail) 469,00 + Vat = 558,XX Euro.

So buying 9 4AH is: 1350,00 Euro, buying 6 6AH is 2220,00 Euro and buying 4 9AH is 2232,00 Euro.

Now adding the benefit of having 2 230V outlets that can deliver 1500W continuously for quite some times widens the possible use of the GEN 230-1500 also with corded tools, laptops, smartphones, tablets, coolers, and so much more...

I think it's a valid point to say I'd rather buy batteries - but as far as I'm concerned I don't think that the price of the GEN 230-1500 is that much of a turnoff compared to batterie prices.

I'm not saying this is the best, end all solution - but let me repeat myself - it's a step in the right direction that still has a lot of potential. Think of increased number of charges when batteries could be charged directly on a future GEN 230 (without the chargers and their "losses"), think of possible USB 1AH and 2,3AH outlets and accessories (lighting i.e.) especially made for the GEN 230 and therefore with optimized run times.

Of course there are a lot of cheap generators out there and somebody who requires a day long continuous stream of energy won't look into the GEN 230-1500 - it's not made for that.

But a quality generator for everyday, professional use which is pretty quiet will also run between 1500 and 2500 Euros. Especially when you need rather "clean", peak free energy for chargers i.e.. A cheap generator will kill most chargers in no time.

I'm not here to preach this thing, I just thought it was neat and I will definitely get one when they are available here.

Also maybe keep in mind, back when cordless tools came up, they where heavy, weak and had those pesky NCd batteries - look where we stand today. It's the same with battery powered cars, the first ones where literally a joke, possible distance and power not nearly enough for serious commuters. Look where we are today and maybe in a year from now it's a serious alternative.

(I did a 50km (one way) commute everyday for about 5 years - If back then there had been a battery powered car that could make 150km on one charge (gotta have some reserve) all while running the AC in summer and heating during winter while driving I would have bought one immediately. But all they could do was about a 70km range with no other electronics used. While there would have been outlets at the parking of my old company, I deemed it to risky.)

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[Tyler Ernsberger]

Thats a lot of money for what it is.  Your better off buying a generator.  At least with a generator you can use your corded tools. 

 

[Holmz]

Thats a lot of money for what it is.  Your better off buying a generator.  At least with a generator you can use your corded tools.

I thought they would not power a Kapex?

 

[Kev]

This looks like a solution looking for a problem [huh]

As a clean way of powering mains tools without a mains supply sure .. but as JMB is pointing out, it's cheaper just to buy more batteries if your running cordless tools.

Looking at the picture posted it seems this might be aimed at landscapers.  I'd guess the 36v batteries for lawn equipment are far more expensive and would add up fast.  If that's the case then the Mobile Power Unit might be a less costly option than multiple batteries.

Another factor is time involved to charge the nine batteries in JMB's example.  Assuming you don't have power on your jobsite you'll need to charge all nine batteries at home each night.  Who wants to spend their own time charging batteries?  I think I'd rather charge one unit than nine batteries.

My 36V 180 batteries for my Stihl gear are reasonably priced and the top end charger charges them faster than I can drain them.

I've got 3x 36V 180's and I'm never without heaps of juice ... I'd happily buy a couple more and a second charger before I went down the Bosch route. Still also make a huge capacity backpack battery. I personally think Stihl have the thinking right in the garden space, Bosch are amateurs in the garden space compared to Stihl.

 

[Stephen B]

[size=13pt]Received in the slow mail today the Australian  Spring Husqvarna Catalogue. In their range of battery garden tools there is now a 36v back pack battery that directly powers the chainsaw, blower, brushcutter, trimmer etc.,.

Here is an image from Australian website -

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[DB10]

That's interesting but Husky dealers seem to be a bit far and few between, which can be frustrating as I like their tools. Where as Stihl dealers and suppliers seem to be on every street corner, which is very handy.

 

[Kev]

[size=13pt]Received in the slow mail today the Australian  Spring Husqvarna Catalogue. In their range of battery garden tools there is now a 36v back pack battery that directly powers the chainsaw, blower, brushcutter, trimmer etc.,.

Here is an image from Australian website -

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[Holmz]

[size=13pt]Received in the slow mail today the Australian  Spring Husqvarna Catalogue. In their range of battery garden tools there is now a 36v back pack battery that directly powers the chainsaw, blower, brushcutter, trimmer etc.,.

Here is an image from Australian website -

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My first thought was the University in Sydney.

My second thought was that they should use sheep.