NEW ETSC 2-125 & 150-18V battery powered

[luvmytoolz]

Not real. Not. Just not. I’ve never seen this in 38 years on the tools as a pro. Ludicrous.

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Yeah, nah! I don't recall ever seeing anyone so joyfully giddy while sanding either! ;-)

 

[Michael Kellough]

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If the sanders balancing while having the battery attached is any indication, it seems they may be balanced fairly well.

I suspect that is faked. In the video the guy never let go of the sander.

Also, can the ring light be switched on while the sander is not running? Maybe so or maybe also faked.

 

[bwehman]

I love the exposed metal base. It's refreshing to see metal being used where a lot of tool makers are leaning farther into plastic housings.

 

[Chainring]

I suspect that is faked. In the video the guy never let go of the sander.

Also, can the ring light be switched on while the sander is not running? Maybe so or maybe also faked.

I'd think that if they're going to fake the sanders sitting on the table, balanced with a battery on it, they'd make it completely flat to the table. See how the leading edge of the pad is just lifting? Guess we'll see sometime or other.

 

[bertv]

Not real. Not. Just not. I’ve never seen this in 38 years on the tools as a pro. Ludicrous.

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Yeah, nah! I don't recall ever seeing anyone so joyfully giddy while sanding either! ;-)

They just told the model what he was gonna be paid for the job…  [wink]

 

[RJNeal]

Just curious, looks like not much clearance between the 4.0 battery and your work.
Will the 5.0 or 5.2 batteries work? Obvious it will throw the balance off a little more.

 

[luvmytoolz]

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If the sanders balancing while having the battery attached is any indication, it seems they may be balanced fairly well.

That's quite interesting, the weight of both these new models and the ETS EC 150's are all listed as 1.2kg, and the ETS EC's definitely tip just having the cable/hose connected. I would have thought the battery would tip it for sure?

 

[squall_line]

It's not an evolution of the ETS EC, though, it's an evolution of the ETS. The impeller fan for the dust and the extra height and weight of the metal collar may have it balanced differently than the ETS EC.

That said, for the conspiracy theorists out there, it's fairly trivial to make such a unit "balance" when stationary by just putting a dowel in the table the same diameter as one of the extraction holes in the pad and setting it on top of that.

 

[Cheese]

It's kind of a hybridized model as elements of both the ETSC & the ETS EC are present in one tool.

Combining the cordless nature and dust bag of the present ETSC series along with the form factor, larger sanding orbit size and using the same sanding pads as the ETS EC series.  I wonder if the DTSC & RTSC are next for an update as they're the only 2 oddballs left using the ERGO 3.1 battery ?

 

[onocoffee]

Here are the details... with a sanding stroke of 3.5 mm.  [blink]

With the designation being ETSC 2, I would have thought it would be a 2mm orbit, but I guess the 3.5mm is to help encourage us to buy a sander to fit in-between the ETS EC 150/3 and 150/5!

 

[squall_line]

Here are the details... with a sanding stroke of 3.5 mm.  [blink]

With the designation being ETSC 2, I would have thought it would be a 2mm orbit, but I guess the 3.5mm is to help encourage us to buy a sander to fit in-between the ETS EC 150/3 and 150/5!

I believe the "ETSC 2" designation is a way of saying that it's version 2 of the ETSC, just like the Planex 2 is the second version of the Planex.

 

[mino]

The bad (for now):
- they should not have discontinued the 3.1(3.0) class batteries with Bluetooth .. this is a tool screaming for light batteries and the 4.0 is just unnecessarily big (and heavy) as the default choice

Now the good:
- it uses the standard ETS EC/ETS 150 series pads, which means a hard pad is available, big boon here!
- the biggest improvement to me is the included bag, with like twice the surface and twice the capacity it should be able to work pretty well for some actual small jobs
- priced in the ETSC bracket, almost twice the orbit and 20-30% heavier, pretty clear this one is to sell as the mainstream series alongside the (niche) ETSC/DTSC/RTSC series
- the interface for the protector/edge guide is different and seriously beefed up, so no backwards compatibility for accessories .. is its own thing
- the metal bottom is probably where most of the weight lies, may still stand even with the heavy 4.0 pack

Overall this is a range expander into the mainstream, not an update/upgrade of any tool Festool already covers. The main target are cordless sanders from competitors. And I must say that on cost/value they probably got it right. Looks very much like "the" sander to get for a hobby user.

To me the ETSC 2 125 (with 150 pads for real work) is what will join a "holy grail grouping" of high value at reasonable cost tools for a hobby user.
Alongside the CXS 12, TPC 18/4 and the ubiquitous CT Midi. Now only a "HKC 65" is missing for a complete set. Lighter and a with more cut depth from 168 blades ..

I believe the "ETSC 2" designation is a way of saying that it's version 2 of the ETSC, just like the Planex 2 is the second version of the Planex.

Do not think we can infer much from the name (itself).

There were the RS 1, RS 2 and the RS 3 series, later upgraded to 100/200/300 series .. all "Rutscher Schliefer" but otherwise different tools with little in common in their use case or mechanics.

Further, I find it unlikely Festool would shift their finish sanders to be 3.5 mm across the board - notice the lack of /3 in the naming. There may still be a /2 model, but the 3.5 was IMO chosen as the optimal "universal" orbit.

 

[bertv]

To me the ETSC 2 125 (with 150 pads for real work) is what will join a "holy grail grouping" of high value at reasonable cost tools for a hobby user.

[member=61254]mino[/member]  Are you ABSOLUTELY sure that the 150 pads will fit on the new 125? The series ETS EC does work that way - with no way that the 150 can use the 125 pad, but are these new machines configured the same way?

When you study the accessories part of the product pages for the new sanders you get the impression that the pads for both models are the same as the ones for the older ETS and ETS EC (plus a few other machines), but it never states anywhere that the 125 can be used with the 150 pads...

 

[Cheese]

It appears to me to be the same situation as the previous ETS EC 125 & ETS EC 150 interchangeability.

Here are the replacement pads, 125 vs 150.

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[Coen]

To me the ETSC 2 125 (with 150 pads for real work) is what will join a "holy grail grouping" of high value at reasonable cost tools for a hobby user.

[member=61254]mino[/member]  Are you ABSOLUTELY sure that the 150 pads will fit on the new 125? The series ETS EC does work that way - with no way that the 150 can use the 125 pad, but are these new machines configured the same way?

When you study the accessories part of the product pages for the new sanders you get the impression that the pads for both models are the same as the ones for the older ETS and ETS EC (plus a few other machines), but it never states anywhere that the 125 can be used with the 150 pads...

I don't think Festool ever stated that that worked for the ETS EC?

 

[Cheese]

I don't think Festool ever stated that that worked for the ETS EC?

They never did and Festool service even went so far as to say the pads were not interchangeable because they would cause an imbalance condition.  [blink]

Well when that excuse got shot down, Festool then said that the pad brake wouldn't work.  [huh]  Well 9 years later...

 

[mrboult]

To me the ETSC 2 125 (with 150 pads for real work) is what will join a "holy grail grouping" of high value at reasonable cost tools for a hobby user.

[member=61254]mino[/member]  Are you ABSOLUTELY sure that the 150 pads will fit on the new 125? The series ETS EC does work that way - with no way that the 150 can use the 125 pad, but are these new machines configured the same way?

When you study the accessories part of the product pages for the new sanders you get the impression that the pads for both models are the same as the ones for the older ETS and ETS EC (plus a few other machines), but it never states anywhere that the 125 can be used with the 150 pads...

FYI: There isn’t “no way” the 125mm pad works on the ETS EC 150 machines. .

I used a Dremel tool to make space in the 125mm pad for the shaft ‘wings’ of the 150 sander. You don’t even need to be that accurate. The flat sides of the shaft do all the work regarding the fit. The fact that the 125mm sander doesn’t have the wings is kind of proof you don’t need a snug fit on the wings to get a solid fitment. Festool seems to think the flat sides of the shaft are enough. And in my years of sanding experience they are

 

[mino]

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I used a Dremel tool to make space in the 125mm pad for the shaft ‘wings’ of the 150 sander. You don’t even need to be that accurate. The flat sides of the shaft do all the work regarding the fit. The fact that the 125mm sander doesn’t have the wings is kind of proof you don’t need a snug fit on the wings to get a solid fitment. Festool seems to think the flat sides of the shaft are enough. And in my years of sanding experience they are

I have a better proof for you ... my WTS 150/7 does not have no wings. And that is a 7 mm monster of a sander, in this context.

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[FestitaMakool]

Hello there!

I upvote Mino’s post about the 3.0/3,1 batteries. Why on earth did they leave the Bluetooth out altogether for the new 3.0? I love using mine 3,1 (also with Bluetooth when needed) The 4Ah is almost as heavy as the 5.0/5.2..  [doh]

I’ll probably get this new 125, and buy 150 pads to add.. I love using my Ergo Sanders with the dust bag. Only when needed and appropriate I’ll use the dust extractor..

 

[steadyliam]

I wonder if they’ll be updating the ETS EC with a light etc.