MrToolJunkie
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It would be nice to see specs...cfm, run time, etc.
new Festools January 2022 - battery powered CT SYS + MINI/MIDI + KAPEX
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AlexThePalex
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squall_line
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I mean, theoretically the 3.1 Ah batteries would also fit, and those are made in Poland. I have either 2 or 4 of them from sets that I specifically sought out over the last year.
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big deal about made in china. all my non festool batterys have never gone funny (6 makita, 4 M12, 3 Parkside, 2 M18), i have had 1 makita die on me, mainly because i droped it and ripped the but that comunicated with the charger and tool off, meaning it was snookerd, but have never had an isue otherwise.
chances are that the cells in the batterys are samsung 18650 or 21700 cells and they come from, you guessed it china.........
chances are that the cells in the batterys are samsung 18650 or 21700 cells and they come from, you guessed it china.........
A few pictures for those interested in the CTC-SYS shown by Festool at a trade show in Belgium recently.
Single battery is NOT supported, and there's not enough space for the 5,2 as you can see here with a unit running a pair of 4Ah 'high power' batteries. I don't know if the 3,1's will work also. Confirmed, it's battery only, no option to run via mains power supply. That's unfortunate in one sense, but I guess there have to be limitations on any products feature set. There's also the argument to be made that not many will want a cordless CT-SYS sized unit as their only dust extractor, so some limitations on potential run-time vs true portability are 'fair enough' I guess.
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The new hose end which is included on the forthcoming CTC models supplied AS hose. The green ring is indeed for varying the suction while you're using a sander, for a degree of fine tuning.
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That's because the control panel does include control for the suction, 3 step via buttons on the panel as shown here. Note, something that's also possibly not been observed before, is that the new version is also going to be available as a CTMC-SYS. With M class certification this opens up further possibilities and advantages for trade users of this tool. I don't have a use for that myself, but it's definitely a positive addition for those who have to meet health and safety requirements regarding their extractors on job sites. Good move there, Festool.
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Single battery is NOT supported, and there's not enough space for the 5,2 as you can see here with a unit running a pair of 4Ah 'high power' batteries. I don't know if the 3,1's will work also. Confirmed, it's battery only, no option to run via mains power supply. That's unfortunate in one sense, but I guess there have to be limitations on any products feature set. There's also the argument to be made that not many will want a cordless CT-SYS sized unit as their only dust extractor, so some limitations on potential run-time vs true portability are 'fair enough' I guess.
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The new hose end which is included on the forthcoming CTC models supplied AS hose. The green ring is indeed for varying the suction while you're using a sander, for a degree of fine tuning.
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That's because the control panel does include control for the suction, 3 step via buttons on the panel as shown here. Note, something that's also possibly not been observed before, is that the new version is also going to be available as a CTMC-SYS. With M class certification this opens up further possibilities and advantages for trade users of this tool. I don't have a use for that myself, but it's definitely a positive addition for those who have to meet health and safety requirements regarding their extractors on job sites. Good move there, Festool.
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squall_line
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Thanks for the detailed update pictures!
Great info and pics. !
Variable suction on this unit is also a plus to conserve power in addition to turning down for sanding.
I am guessing that space within the unit is the reason that it does not have mains and probably the reason for choosing the pair of 4.0 batteries (most battery power in the least space).
Seth
Variable suction on this unit is also a plus to conserve power in addition to turning down for sanding.
I am guessing that space within the unit is the reason that it does not have mains and probably the reason for choosing the pair of 4.0 batteries (most battery power in the least space).
Seth
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Now it makes sense why 5.2 batteries can't be used. The initial pictures had a single battery and a huge gap in the space. No more mystery.
There is a difference between being compatible with dual 4.0 and being compatible with larger single batteries too.
A certain other brand has 8.0 and 12.0 batteries. A matter of stacking the 4.0 Ah 21700 cells just like a 5.2 Ah is two rows of 18650 cells.
A certain other brand has 8.0 and 12.0 batteries. A matter of stacking the 4.0 Ah 21700 cells just like a 5.2 Ah is two rows of 18650 cells.
Coen said:
Yep. It's not about current capacity at 18V by combining cells in parallel though, unfortunately. It's a 36V tool, so it needs two reasonably balanced batteries in series. I don't know what they were thinking, to be honest.
They really should have designed it to take a pair of 5,2's. I've over €1150 'invested' in 5.2's during the past 9 months, yet I can't use those batteries with this new tool. That's just dumb and if they actually measured NPS, there have been a few moves recently that would hammer them on that score.
It's bizarre to think I'd have to buy more batteries, just to be able to use a tool that should be completely compatible with their battery system. But it's not. The more I think about it, the more it annoys me.
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Guys, let's not get too off-topic... This line of discussion can quickly lead to breaking the "no politics" rule on the forums...
squall_line said:
Not being political here as I don't care if people buy or not buy something from any country. Their money, their call. But I'm trying to understand how someone can be sure when they buy something, no money or no part of it they pay would go to another country in this global trading world.
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What he said ^^^
Regardless of it not being technically political, this looks like a discussion for you guys to have privately if you like.
There is more than enough of this type of topic all over the internet. It really isn't needed on FOG.
Seth
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does the CT-SYS come with a dual battery charger? or have a way to just charge them in place?
I'm rather thinking this is a case they should have just built a battery pack into it, more like their recent power station, just build a module from that into this. If you have to keep 2 matched batteries around for it, and you are stuck with a certain size, having them be the system batteries doesn't get you very much. They could have fit more battery in the same space if it was just integral. As long as it's a chunk that could be replaced down the road if needed, it would be fine.
I'm rather thinking this is a case they should have just built a battery pack into it, more like their recent power station, just build a module from that into this. If you have to keep 2 matched batteries around for it, and you are stuck with a certain size, having them be the system batteries doesn't get you very much. They could have fit more battery in the same space if it was just integral. As long as it's a chunk that could be replaced down the road if needed, it would be fine.
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I don’t think that this is really the idea of cordless tools. You can apply the same logic to drills, but that quickly becomes impractical.DeformedTree said:
Fitting two 6.2 batteries in that vacuum would have been ideal for run-time, but of course we don’t know the limitations they had to design around.
That still doesn’t make it ok though, since there are a lot of people with older 5.2/6.2 batteries that would have buy new batteries to use that vacuum, which is against the whole ‘system’ thing.