New Festools & Questions

[rodwolfy]

Those are some seriously complicated profile on the oak cabinet door frames, assuming there is no applied beading.  Very nice work.  I don't mind the jointer/planer workout because it helps ensure accurately machined, flat stock.  But I am just a hobbyist and thus not often faced with dealing with signifcant quantities of wood.

Dave R.

Dave,

Thanks. They were very complicated. No beading added. Like I said, shaper head tilted at various heights and angles to get the correct profiles. Flip the head over and run in reverse... What was worst, was when I had to re-do the extra piece, I didn't have the angles and heights recorded. I had to work it all out again. Biscuits in the miters for strength and bookmatched panels inset. I like to machine stock too, most of the time. But this project was estimated at 20 hours and it took 60.

Here's a better one of the doors. Hopefully my mom's won't be as complicated. She is talking about doing laminates now. Now, I'm Glad I went over to the co-workers house last month and did his!

 

[Dave Rudy]

Rod,

The router question got lost again!  I believe the 1400 comes with just about every collet (1/2, 1/4, 8mm) you need.  The only extra I would get to start with is the fine adjuster to use with the guide rails.

Other than that and the right bits, you should be set for some routing!

HTH

 

[rodwolfy]

Dave,

Some confusion on my part. What is the 'fine adjuster'?

I read a review and it stated that the "edge guide" came with the router kit toohttp://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/reviews/festoolOF1400EBQ.htm
"Micro-adjustable fence comes standard with the OF1400. The large locking knob up top can be used to stabilize and move the router accurately along the edge of your workpiece"). But on the boxed contents, it doesn't show it. It's $58. The catalog shows that it offers "integral dust extraction". I see that there is a "chip guard" that is a replacement and a "chip catcher" which is a replacement.

Also, I heard that I needed the "guide stop" to work with the guide rails. This is a no brainer, as I don't even need the router without the ability to use the rails. I'm hoping that using this will make dado's more easy, as I don't have the ability with my Felder to do dados. I run the risk of the router wandering away from the Clamp-n-Tool guide that I usually use for routing dados.

I think that I read that the outrigger "support" comes with the router (item #16 in the 2007 catalog, pf 55). But, the catalog shows it as being extra. I re-read the other post:http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=1883.0 and it's making more sense, now. I'm thinking I like David D's idea of routing off the guide rail. Maybe I'll made a new sub-base that matches the guide rail.

I have maybe 100 router bits and some shaper heads, along with 7 routers. I actually have an edge guide for my Bosch 1617 and 1618's, so I wouldn't even need the Festool version for this, other than if the dust collection of the Festool is much better.

What I hate about routing anyways is the HUGE mess that I always make around my shop. I'd do away with half my routers if I could just use one that has really good dust collection. I'm hoping that the OF1400 is that one.

Do I need any hose connectors or reducers for the addition of the Boom Arm, or do they come with the kit?

Festool seems to offer deals on purchases in pairs or "package deals", but not on triple packages. Is there any advantage to buying the CT33E packaged with the Domino + the OF1400 vs. packaged with the OF1400 + the Domino? Or should I just wait and get a sander or something, instead of buying an odd number of tools?
Maybe I should have asked Bob these questions...

So, to summarize what I've read, I want to get:

OF1400
Guide Stop
Edge guide
Support
an extra 16/2 Plug it power cord

CT33E
boom arm
handle
Workshop cleaning set
crevice nozzle
suction brush
upholstery brush
universal brush
filter bags

Anything else? I've alread seen the value of the 32mm hole system (which requires the use of the 1010 router? or will the OF1400 work?). I've also noticed that a lot of you guys are using the MFS, which I don't get yet.

This slope is too slippery!

Rod

 

[Bob Marino]

Dave,

Some confusion on my part. What is the 'fine adjuster'?

I read a review and it stated that the "edge guide" came with the router kit toohttp://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/reviews/festoolOF1400EBQ.htm
"Micro-adjustable fence comes standard with the OF1400. The large locking knob up top can be used to stabilize and move the router accurately along the edge of your workpiece"). But on the boxed contents, it doesn't show it. It's $58. The catalog shows that it offers "integral dust extraction". I see that there is a "chip guard" that is a replacement and a "chip catcher" which is a replacement.

Also, I heard that I needed the "guide stop" to work with the guide rails. This is a no brainer, as I don't even need the router without the ability to use the rails. I'm hoping that using this will make dado's more easy, as I don't have the ability with my Felder to do dados. I run the risk of the router wandering away from the Clamp-n-Tool guide that I usually use for routing dados.

I think that I read that the outrigger "support" comes with the router (item #16 in the 2007 catalog, pf 55). But, the catalog shows it as being extra. I re-read the other post:http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=1883.0 and it's making more sense, now. I'm thinking I like David D's idea of routing off the guide rail. Maybe I'll made a new sub-base that matches the guide rail.

I have maybe 100 router bits and some shaper heads, along with 7 routers. I actually have an edge guide for my Bosch 1617 and 1618's, so I wouldn't even need the Festool version for this, other than if the dust collection of the Festool is much better.

What I hate about routing anyways is the HUGE mess that I always make around my shop. I'd do away with half my routers if I could just use one that has really good dust collection. I'm hoping that the OF1400 is that one.

Do I need any hose connectors or reducers for the addition of the Boom Arm, or do they come with the kit?

Festool seems to offer deals on purchases in pairs or "package deals", but not on triple packages. Is there any advantage to buying the CT33E packaged with the Domino + the OF1400 vs. packaged with the OF1400 + the Domino? Or should I just wait and get a sander or something, instead of buying an odd number of tools?
Maybe I should have asked Bob these questions...

So, to summarize what I've read, I want to get:

OF1400
Guide Stop
Edge guide
Support
an extra 16/2 Plug it power cord

CT33E
boom arm
handle
Workshop cleaning set
crevice nozzle
suction brush
upholstery brush
universal brush
filter bags

Anything else? I've alread seen the value of the 32mm hole system (which requires the use of the 1010 router? or will the OF1400 work?). I've also noticed that a lot of you guys are using the MFS, which I don't get yet.

This slope is too slippery!

Rod

  Rod,

I will try and answer some questions here.  In the past year or so, Festool has changed the supplied items that come with the router, they refer to to the supplied items as the "scope of delivery".
The "fine adjuster" that Dave is referring to is part of the 1400's GUIDE STOP - that is what allows you to attach the router to the rails (using the supplied rods).

The Edge Guide no longer comes standard with the router - it is now an accessory item. The 1400 router does come with the 1/4", 8 mm and 1/2" collets.

The outrigger support is part of the Guide Stop "package", and does not come with the router.

Ther 1400's dc is second to none. I have edged MDF with that router and the dust produced was ABSOLUTELY MINIMAL. Dados may require a second pass with the vac runing, but there is no dust.

The Boom comes complete - just hook up the vac's hose and you are good.
  Festool no longer offers multi-tool discounts, but the discount is off the price of the vac, not ther tools, so no juggling required.

The hole drilling set was designed for the 1010, but will work with (and is supplied with the predrilled holes and screws) for the 1400.

Bob

 

[Dave Ronyak]

I have the 1400 router and a CT 22 vacuum, and the Boom Arm kit.  I also have 3 other routers and am shopping for a PC 7518.  I bought many of the accessories with my 1400 so I could use it in as many applications as possible, hopefully with decent dust collection capability, including a 3/8 inch collet since I had several new 3/8 inch shank bits as well as a collection of 1/4 and 1/2 inch sizes, and now a few Festool 8mm bits.  What Bob M. stated about dust collecton when edging with a small diameter bit is true and amazing - it has to be seen to believe how good it is.  But there is an important caveat and limitation to great dust collection when edging - the bit diameter must be small enough to fit within the chip catcher that mounts from the underside of the base of the router.  If you need to use a large diameter bit, e.g. a table edging bit that won't clear the chip catcher, you're going to make a lot of chips/dust that won't be captured by the vacuum, and substitution of the edge guide together with its undermount chip collector won't make much improvement.  And your likely to have the 27mm hose clog frequently - I strongly recommend the 36mm hose for use with the 1400.  I obtained mine as a component of the SS cleaning kit.  When I needed to make a bunch of door stop and shoe moldings, after trying several setups for dust collection, I ended up using it outside and let the chips fly and swept them up later.

Dave R.

 

[Bob Marino]

  What Bob M. stated about dust collecton when edging with a small diameter bit is true and amazing - it has to be seen to believe how good it is.  But there is an important caveat and limitation to great dust collection when edging - the bit diameter must be small enough to fit within the chip catcher that mounts from the underside of the base of the router.  If you need to use a large diameter bit, e.g. a table edging bit that won't clear the chip catcher, you're going to make a lot of chips/dust that won't be captured by the vacuum, and substitution of the edge guide together with its undermount chip collector won't make much improvement.  And your likely to have the 27mm hose clog frequently - I strongly recommend the 36mm hose for use with the 1400. Dave R.
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Dave,

Correct - good points regarding the larger bits that don't fit the chip catcher and the larger hose being the preferred one for heavy routing.

Bob

 

[rodwolfy]

Well guys, it sounds fine to me. I predominately use my router table as it's safer and more precise, especially with the larger bits. The times when I don't are when I can't bring the workpiece to the table - a large tabletop, a rocking chair that's been assembled, etc.

The other times are when I'm doing a "lite" routing, like with a 1/4" bit and my Makita Laminate or my Bosch Colt. But, the dust from these drives me nuts. I might just have to use a bigger router if it kept the mess clean. Which if what you say is true, might be the way to do 1/8" round over bits and such. Just because the dust floating around the shop and coating all of the surfaces in sight is a pain to clean up after (not to mention the dust mask/lungs factor!).

I'm going to keep the Festool vac in my shop and let my family loan out the Fein. Should I keep the boom arm set up and then swap out the hoses at the intake place on the side of the vac when I want to use the vac for cleaning up? Or do you just use them both on a "Y" connector? I'm also assuming that the loss of suction from having 2 lines hooked up won't matter much?

Dave, any linkys for using the Festool routers for sliding dovetails?

Rod

 

[Dave Rudy]

Rod,

Try the appendix to Jerry Work's MFS manual, in which he discusses his setup for sliding dovetails using a topside router and the MFT.  It's the best setup I've seen described in print.

HTH

Dave

 

[CharlesWilson]

Rod,

Try the appendix to Jerry Work's MFS manual, in which he discusses his setup for sliding dovetails using a topside router and the MFT.  It's the best setup I've seen described in print.

HTH

Dave

I have been using a horizontal router setup as described by Jerry Work in the MFS manual with very good results.

Charles