New Kapex KS60

AJCruise, not at all.
I wondered it too, question is not relevant to me because I don't have those. You summarised  the problem very well.

Vesa
 
I kind of like it. But, when looking at the size - it isn't particularly small. It is quite bulky and large for the cut capacity.
Also, looking at the weight it is a whopping 17,8 kg - that is quite heavy. It is almost five kilos more than my Makita LS0714 - which is also a very capable saw. 

Well, it is still 0,5 kg lighter than the Metabo KG SYM though I honestly feel like the Metabo might be more of what I am looking for in this size/capacity mitre saw.

I would have bought this Kapex 60  over a Kapex 120 for sure - but considering the options I am not so sure I would replace any of my saws with this.

I have been looking forward to a smaller Kapex for many years but I am not that impressed.
 
Hi, I will soon replace my old saw with a KS 60 (or KS 120) and has a question about the new KS 60...

I have a TS 75 with (210 mm blade) with lots of different blades, Can I use these blades on KS 60 (blade 216 mm) ?

It differs only 6mm (210 vs 216 ) how important the differens ?

/ Nimos
 
Nimos said:
Hi, I will soon replace my old saw with a KS 60 (or KS 120) and has a question about the new KS 60...

I have a TS 75 with (210 mm blade) with lots of different blades, Can I use these blades on KS 60 (blade 216 mm) ?

It differs only 6mm (210 vs 216 ) how important the differens ?

/ Nimos

The depth of cut will obviously be less. I might be wrong here but I'm sure the tooth shape is different on chopsaw blades.  Im sure they need a negative rake design which the ts75 may not have. I'm no expert though.
 
Kinda sucks that the extension calibrations are different between the 120 and the 60, but I tend to use the 120 as a station and cut to length and I use my small Metabo SCMS I have to cut to mark. Yeh .. usage may differ [tongue]
 
I don't see guys using an FSZ 1xx to hold down material with this thing. Too slow and too sloppy.

I agree FT seems to be missing the boat by not offering cordless with this.  Phil, could you elaborate on the thinking behind this decesion ?

Feels a lot like the decesion to not offer compact drill/drivers until recently.

 
antss said:
.....I agree FT seems to be missing the boat by not offering cordless with this.  Phil, could you elaborate on the thinking behind this decesion ?

Feels a lot like the decesion to not offer compact drill/drivers until recently.

I'm not convinced there won't be a cordless version.  Let's wait 6-8 months and see.  I have no inside knowledge, just pure speculation on my part. 
 
[member=46957]ginge[/member]
      "The depth of cut will obviously be less. I might be wrong here but I'm sure the tooth shape is different on chopsaw      blades.  Im sure they need a negative rake design which the ts75 may not have. I'm no expert though."

I thought, and am probably incorrect, that if the saw (moving) was being presented to the wood (stationary), a negative rake was desired, whereas, if the wood (moving) is presented to the saw (stationary) the rake should be positive.  With both the Miter/Chop/SCMS and the Plunge/TS saws the wood is stationary.  Please help clear this up for me.

Thanks
 
DrD said:
[member=46957]ginge[/member]
      "The depth of cut will obviously be less. I might be wrong here but I'm sure the tooth shape is different on chopsaw      blades.  Im sure they need a negative rake design which the ts75 may not have. I'm no expert though."

I thought, and am probably incorrect, that if the saw (moving) was being presented to the wood (stationary), a negative rake was desired, whereas, if the wood (moving) is presented to the saw (stationary) the rake should be positive.  With both the Miter/Chop/SCMS and the Plunge/TS saws the wood is stationary.  Please help clear this up for me.
Thanks
Does not matter what's moving and what's stationary. Rip blades have high angle, cross cut - low to 0 angle, metal and plastic - 0 to negative angle.
SCMS blades tend to have lower angle than TS blades for equivalent material in order to minimize climbing. For example, Kapex fine cross cut is -5 deg., while TS75 fine cross cut is +5 deg. However, unlike Festool brand, most SCMS cross cut blades have low positive angle. I think TS75 cross cut will work on KS60 if arbor is the same.
 
First post on fog!! I have the hk55 and love it, wondering if there a planed north america release for this saw? i can't justify getting the bigger kapex given that i have a tope of the line dewalt and while it might make more airborne dust, it is 12" and dead on accurate, i would love a smaller portable saw that I could but on a stack of sustainers on the job would be perfect!
thanks all
-billybob
 
[member=56769]backhoebb[/member]

[welcome] to the FOG! The smaller KS60 was very recently announced Internationally. Typically it takes 8-12 months for new items to migrate over to N America, and not all products make it here. There has been no official word if or when the KS60 will be available here.
 
Subcontractor carpenter here.
Looks a good practical size for sitework.
The big saws are too bloody numb to be karting about up several flights of stairs and back everyday. Lot of blokes have a massive scms and it hardly comes out the van after a month or so.
I've used a little Makita for the last twelve or so years, great little thing that only cuts upto about 130mm. Small enough to carry with ease and fits into my toolsafe with all the other stuff I have in there. Plus it cuts any studs I need to make and also most of my work is in commercial properties so the

I'm sure there's a market for this saw as personally I wouldn't want something as big and numb as a Kapex 120 unless I had a workshop.
 
Why will this be better than a KS88?  Looks like its only very slightly smaller and lighter, for less cutting depth.

Update: Looks like it will be cheaper too.
 
^^^ unlike the KS88 (Which is a KS120 minus some features) the KS60 has an imptoved(?) laser guide line or actually an LED shadow line. And it comes with the Festool mitre gauge. And it's cheaper..
 
I was advised of a new cordless smaller Kapex to hit the Australian market earlier 2017 so my bet is there will be 2 versions released
 
That's not the info we've got around here from the U.K. and U.S. reps.
No cordless version that is.
 
I would be interested to see if the dust extraction is as good as the existing Kapex saws. That could sway a lot o people one way or the other.
 
vs KS120

[pros]
+Belting instead of plastic reduction gear. Yes, much quieter and easy to repair.
+Led spotlight. Yes, hate lasers (adj. every year, trouble with differents blades, too thick line at night, easy to brake even with single chip when cutting).
+17,8 kg vs 21.5 kg.
+Bevel at the back of the saw. We should remove bevel at KS120 with angle cuts anyway.
+Additional positions for clamps at the left and the right of the saw.
+Can 1mm cutting depth for sawing slots like plunge-cut saw (without any adjustment as KS120).

[cons]
-No Fast Stop (called Quick-acting brake) due to belting. x3-x4 more stopping time and there is no system like "non stop forced braking" for fine cutting.
-No Fast Fix. At KS120 we can easy disable the saw with this feature (mechanical locks start button), much safety.
-No angle dial for fine adjustment. Its the best KS120 feature - ultra visible dial even at night.
-No fine adjustment of the saw blade angle (no spring's counterweight).
-Lamb screw instead of the single button.
-Bevel installing only along two small lines (it can be erased in 4-5 years).

KS120 just better. So still waiting new KS120 with LEDs and holes for clamps (maybe with belting gear) and adjustment for plunge cutting. Marketing is not allowed to add to KS60 same radius limb and counterweight when changing angle as KS120.
 
So I am considering upgrading my Hitachi C10FSH which has served me great (with aftermarket blades). I would like to keep it as compact as possible. I do not move often and this will only be for hobby/DIY projects. Also dust collections is a concern. Still no reason for it to be bigger than necessary (or more expensive).

Right now I am a bit torn between the KS60 and KS120. Particularly I have a question regarding cut capacity. Sometimes I do 45 cuts on 2x4 (European, so that would be 48 mm). From the specs it says that it only does 40 mm in 45 degree tilt. Would anyone be able to confirm if the 40 mm spec is absolute? I know from other saws that sometimes they can to cuts outside the specs so I am a bit curious if this is also possible on the KS60. Would it be possible for someone with the saw to investigate this? Would be greatly appreciated. For instance would it be possible to space it from the underside? From the blade size it seems it should be possible to do a 45 degree cut down through around 50 mm but this of course is dependent on other aspects as well. I do not do these cuts often, but when I do it would be nice to be able to do them without too much effort.
 
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