New products for January 2018 (Europe) - Facelift for 26, 36, 48

[Corwin]

Yes the hose will fit completely into the hose garage - image tomorrow as I ran out of time today. It is a change in design to allow for the t loc...as for specific make up of the plastic I have no idea......put is this way it is very tough.
rg
Phil

So, I gather the hose garage will no longer support the older 'Classic' systainers. Or, does it accept both types?

 

[antss]

Wasn't trying to undercut you Peter, simply trying to get an official response.

Otherwise someone later on down the road will levy the homer, shil, plant, ect... label on you.

While I respect your opinion , I'm guessing you didn't spend a lot of time with the new goodies and even less dissecting them.  Most people's natural response when invited to new product previews is to get caught up in the excitement.  Doesn't mean your initial take isn't correct.  But , a lot of people thought the old hose garage was the bees knees when it rolled out and same with the new hose end. 

One of which turned out to be not great and necessitated the new garage and the other certainly has garnered mixed reviews from early adopters.

I think it's fair to ask tough critical questions about a replacement product with a track record like this one.  The problem wasn't isolated. Consumers and dealers on both sides of the pond have found the old hose garage weak.

 

[Gregor]

So, I gather the hose garage will no longer support the older 'Classic' systainers. Or, does it accept both types?

Gather again:http://festoolownersgroup.com/festo...018-facelift-for-2-36-48/msg531400/#msg531400

Looks like the old ones will work, or that the T-LOC ones can be secured more securely.

 

[leakyroof]

The new hoses looks very nice. How is the flexibility compared to the old hoses? Do they exhibit the same "memory effect" as the old hoses when they are stored in the hose garage?

They're probably even stiffer. It's the same hose with an extra sleeve.

But I find hoses are only stiff when they're new. After a couple of months of use they'll become more supple.

Alex, they aren't the old hoses with a sleeve.  They are more flexible and lighter.  The outside of the hose is smooth and the interior ribs are smaller I was told.  If you look at the image that Phil posted with the hose around a piece of wood you will see what I mean.  I asked if I could take the end off of the one I saw but was asked not to whereas that was the only one Festool USA had at the time.

I love the fact that for transport you can loop it together and lock it together and that if you need a longer hose you can lock two together without any additional fittings or changing our hose ends.

Peter

.....what the guy above said  [cool]
Rg
Phil

Just to add my  [2cents] ......................  they are much, much more flexible. Pretty much just effortlessly bend in what ever direction you want. Should also make coiling them into garages and systainers  much easier.  [thumbs up]

Seth

....like this  [blink]
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  But Phil, don't you know we already have a huge problem with escaped Pythons and Boas down in Florida.... And here you are, adding to the issue.... [poke] [poke]
One well placed Ad campaign in the US is going to convince these loose snakes that Festool is starting a dating service for them with the 'sexy' new hoses....  Green, flexible, and ....available..... [wink]

 

[Cheese]

Indeed why didn't they have the cord embedded? Was it because the existence of different plugs?

I like the fact we are getting a better sleeved hose yet I cannot justify the cost of one without the Plug It cord. If it were to come with one built in I would definitely get one.

I think this hose is targeted more for the cordless crew. If you look at the brochure, it shows the hose being used with a TSC 55 twice, a HKC 55 and a BHC 18. There's only one shot of it being used with a corded tool...the ETS EC.

 

[ChuckS]

May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

 

[Brice Burrell]

May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

I think you're right about the failing being an issue.  It doesn't look like the hose sleeve comes off easily, or maybe not at all.  Also, the cord end would be in the way when used with cordless tools.

 

[smartins]

A couple of weeks back received my CT26, hose garage was cracked. Packing box had no any visible damage...
Old garage material looks to me pretty low quality, even somewhat brittle, not properly thick in most stressed places...

Though, I will not rush to buy new products, I usually wait a bit to see other's practical experience, with modern tendency of bringing out products as fast as possible, anything can pop up...  [unsure]

....
Phil , can you clarify whether the new garage has a different plastic formulation to help eliminate the cracked garages experienced by many users and dealers that ship the vacs ?  And can you translate the "point of sitting comfortably " from the Queen's to the 'Murican English we use here in the Colonies ?

 

[Phil Beckley]

Yes the hose will fit completely into the hose garage - image tomorrow as I ran out of time today. It is a change in design to allow for the t loc...as for specific make up of the plastic I have no idea......put is this way it is very tough.
rg
Phil

So, I gather the hose garage will no longer support the older 'Classic' systainers. Or, does it accept both types?

....will take the classic systainers and the T lock.
rg
phil

 

[Phil Beckley]

Wasn't trying to undercut you Peter, simply trying to get an official response.

Otherwise someone later on down the road will levy the homer, shil, plant, ect... label on you.

While I respect your opinion , I'm guessing you didn't spend a lot of time with the new goodies and even less dissecting them.  Most people's natural response when invited to new product previews is to get caught up in the excitement.  Doesn't mean your initial take isn't correct.  But , a lot of people thought the old hose garage was the bees knees when it rolled out and same with the new hose end. 

One of which turned out to be not great and necessitated the new garage and the other certainly has garnered mixed reviews from early adopters.

I think it's fair to ask tough critical questions about a replacement product with a track record like this one.  The problem wasn't isolated. Consumers and dealers on both sides of the pond have found the old hose garage weak.

....and in answer to your other question........
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[yetihunter]

I see that the open secret is now just the open part.
Will there be a 36mm sibling?

 

[GarryMartin]

Will there be a 36mm sibling?

Yes, there are four hoses mentioned.

• D 27
• D 27/32
• D 36
• D 36/32

The D 36 will also be available in 5m and 7m versions.

 

[yetihunter]

Perfect!

 

[Bob D.]

May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

They make hoses for whole house central vac systems that have a power cord embedded in it to drive the power beater bar on the wand. I doubt it's rated for 120V/12A but it's there.

Speaking of central vac systems they also have what they call hose socks. I've seen two styles, one is a slip on with a draw-string tie at each end and the other is a zippered sleeve that would make it very easy to install/remove over a long hose and cord as needed. The price is not difficult to take either, less than US$50.

 

[pettyconstruction]

About a month ago I saw a “midi” with the new T-loc on it. At the time I thought it was the new way on those vacs , but maybe they got one ahead of the release date?
Either way, I like the improvement .
Charlie

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[GarryMartin]

About a month ago I saw a “midi” with the new T-loc on it.

The Midi has had a T-loc top as standard and available as a replacement part for quite some time.

 

[antss]

May be a cord there could affect the flexibility of the hose. Or, if an embedded cord fails, a feature of the corded hose dies with it. Just a guess.

They make hoses for whole house central vac systems that have a power cord embedded in it to drive the power beater bar on the wand. I doubt it's rated for 120V/12A but it's there.

Speaking of central vac systems they also have what they call hose socks. I've seen two styles, one is a slip on with a draw-string tie at each end and the other is a zippered sleeve that would make it very easy to install/remove over a long hose and cord as needed. The price is not difficult to take either, less than US$50.

Those are rated 3A max.

There's a third type of sock that is stretchy, like a sock. 

 

[semenza]

I realize that people are talking about other types of hose sleeves and it may or may not be obvious from the pictures and discussion but one thing to note about the new hose is that  "sleeved" is a bit of a misnomer. The outer "fabric"  is not so much a sleeve, more like the integral outer layer of the hose. I am not sure how easily removable it is.  But it is not  loose  like most hose sleeves.

Seth

 

[Bob D.]

That sounds like a better setup than a loose fitting sleeve. A snug fitting outer jacket on the hose would be less prone to snagging or hanging up on anything.

Still, a power cord integrated into the hose for some applications would be nice.

 

[antss]

[member=1619]SRSemenza[/member]  is the inside of the hose smoother to allow for better airflow ?  Or is it still corrugated like the current versions ?