New tool announcement: VAC SYS System coming March 1!

[Kev]

I like it but maybe not something I'd prioritize over other festool offerings.  Primarily because I'm a homeowner user/DIY bit also because I wonder if there'd be too many situations where I'd actually need two to make it work and two is too rich for my blood.

Personally I think you're either making jewellery boxes or you NEED two heads for most significant jobs.

I'm not a fan of having two heads linked to an MFT setup .. but Festool is about portability and for that reason their approach makes sense.

I'd really like one of these ...http://www.doscorniometal.com/index.php?Nav_Nummer=2&SubNav_Nummer=7&R=  [big grin]

The large round vac attachment head that is included is capable of holding a fairly sizable work piece.  Also, you can make your own jigs/fixtures to provide supplemental support so you work with much bigger pieces with just one head.

I'm not challenging the clamping force in any way - I know how powerful vacuum clamping can be .. often it's more a factor of the station you're clamping to. I'm sure there's examples of someone clamping a door corner to a single vacuum clamp on the corner of an MFT with a result of everything tipping over [eek]

I'm exaggerating with the jewellery box quip, but my point is people should know the size of the jobs they plan to tackle and can then plan an appropriate configuration for safe and effective clamping.

 

[Brice Burrell]

I'm not challenging the clamping force in any way - I know how powerful vacuum clamping can be .. often it's more a factor of the station you're clamping to. I'm sure there's examples of someone clamping a door corner to a single vacuum clamp on the corner of an MFT with a result of everything tipping over [eek]

I'm exaggerating with the jewellery box quip, but my point is people should know the size of the jobs they plan to tackle and can then plan an appropriate configuration for safe and effective clamping.

The work piece would pull free from a single vac clamp before the MFT would tip over in any sensible configuration.  I felt compelled to comment on the "jewellery box quip" since it grossly misrepresented the capabilities of a single Vac Sys.  To be fair to you, I do think your point of two Vac Sys clamps greatly increasing the stability and usefulness of the system is right.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Just saw the VAC SYS.  I don't need it,  but I could see and feel that it is top notch quality. 
Seems too springy for hand tools, but really nice for polishing and sanding.

I'd say you're right about the Vac Sys not being well suited for hand tool work in a general sense.  With a pair of Vac Sys clamps it might more usable, but still not ideal.     

 

[rst]

I've been making and using vacuum clamping for 20 years and recently bought two of the Virutex  virutex.com/vacumclamptiltablemultiaxissvn460.  I attach them to my MFT with aluminum bases I created.  I think most people would be surprised at how strong vac clamping can be.  I hand scrape and machine sand, Festool of course, regularly and have never had a piece come free.  I will be buying the Syst1 and II and a pair of each of the heads because of the flexibility offered.  I personally don't need the pump as I use a surplus refrigeration pump that I bought for $15.00 15 years ago.

 

[L.J]

Thanks [member=191]Rick Christopherson[/member],
that makes sense...the old safety factor being put in play.  [smile]

Safety factor is a polite way of saying idiot factor !!!

 

[Rick Christopherson]

Thanks [member=191]Rick Christopherson[/member],
that makes sense...the old safety factor being put in play.  [smile]

Safety factor is a polite way of saying idiot factor !!!

I think you are underestimating the power of a vacuum. Did you not see the recent episode of mythbusters (last week I believe) where they lifted an entire car using just a single shop vac (either a rigid or fein, can't remember). And a shop vac can only pull a fraction of the vacuum that a vacuum clamp can pull. I don't remember the numbers, but a shop vac can probably only pull about 2 psi vacuum. A vacuum clamp pump generally pulls between 12 and 13 psi vacuum. That's why the round head can pull over 600 pounds.

Most people are so surprised by it, that one of the first things they are tempted to do is stage a picture like the one below. I'm not the only one who has done this.

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[grbmds]

[member=57769]TylerC[/member] This may have been answered already, but I couldn't find it in this thread.

Does the VacSys System (which includes the pump, SE1/round head, and foot valve, include any Systainers? If so, how many, which type (Classic or newer), and what size?

Everything except the pump comes in a Classic Sys 4.

[member=57769]TylerC[/member] I think it would make sense for me to keep the pump in a covered container when not in use to keep dust off off it, etc. What will the pump fit in? Also, I'm not sure which Systainer is a 4. I got one with the sheathed 27mm hose. Would that one hold the pump when not in use?

 

[TylerC]

[member=57769]TylerC[/member] This may have been answered already, but I couldn't find it in this thread.

Does the VacSys System (which includes the pump, SE1/round head, and foot valve, include any Systainers? If so, how many, which type (Classic or newer), and what size?

Everything except the pump comes in a Classic Sys 4.

[member=57769]TylerC[/member] I think it would make sense for me to keep the pump in a covered container when not in use to keep dust off off it, etc. What will the pump fit in? Also, I'm not sure which Systainer is a 4. I got one with the sheathed 27mm hose. Would that one hold the pump when not in use?

The pump will fit in a Sys 4. The Sys 4 is 12" high. I've attached an image of it.

(Pro tip: You can tell which Systainer you're looking at by the number of notches on it. You'll notice 4 notches on each side of the Sys 4.)

 

[Cheese]

I got one with the sheathed 27mm hose. Would that one hold the pump when not in use?

The recently released covered hose came in a Sys 3.

 

[jimbo51]

Does/will Festool have these at the Woodworking shows? I am thinking of going up to Somerset this weekend and this would be something I would definitely want to see.

Also ask the Grex guy what happened to the 23 g cordless pinner. Probably say something about 18 g thought to be more popular.

Also ask the Bosch guys about the Reaxx timeline. It is coming soon, yaddah yaddah.

 

[erock]

I placed my order yesterday with ToolNut !    I'm stoked !    I've only been waiting for this to hit the states since 2010 !

Now  Festool,    lets get those SYS COMBI's over here !  I'm running out of things to buy.    [eek]    [tongue]

Eric

 

[rst]

I also placed my order yesterday for the SE 1, the clamp head set, and the hose.  I'll be using the vacuum pump that I already own.  It is the interchangeable various heads that made my mind up.  There are various sources for vacuum heads that are available for industrial use, but this way I do not have to figure some way to utilize those in an easily interchangeable fashion.  I can understand may of the comments on value for use by many of the FOG members, but I use vacuum clamping patterns and holding fixtures for making commercial fixtures, mostly replacements for discontinued or hard to source refrigeration components.  While I own most of Festool's sanders and saws, mine are used in commercial/industrial usage.

 

[bkharman]

I placed my order yesterday with ToolNut !    I'm stoked !    I've only been waiting for this to hit the states since 2010 !

Now  Festool,    lets get those SYS COMBI's over here !  I'm running out of things to buy.    [eek]    [tongue]

Eric

Good to have you back active here Eric. Been a while!

Cheers. Bryan.

 

[rst]

I agree with Erick about the SYS COMBI's, I've bought three on Ebay from a vender in Miami so far and they are great.  One has my new Fein drill and accessories, one for my Milwaukee M-18 hammer-drill, impact driver and accessories, and another for my MFK 700 and the various bases.  I'm just hoping that when they are available that I did not pay too much  [crying].

 

[TylerC]

Does/will Festool have these at the Woodworking shows? I am thinking of going up to Somerset this weekend and this would be something I would definitely want to see.

Yes, the Vac Sys will be at this weekend's show in Somerset. Apparently Brooklyn-based dealer Tools For Woodworking will have it.

 

[mike_aa]

Does/will Festool have these at the Woodworking shows? I am thinking of going up to Somerset this weekend and this would be something I would definitely want to see.

Yes, the Vac Sys will be at this weekend's show in Somerset. Apparently Brooklyn-based dealer Tools For Woodworking will have it.

[member=57769]TylerC[/member]
Do you know if Larry Smith will be at the Hartville, Ohio Tool Sale Event on Friday and Saturday, and will he have the Vac Sys there?

Thanks, Mike A.

 

[copcarcollector]

We'll also be releasing a set-up video in the next few weeks that should help to answer some of these things.

[member=57769]TylerC[/member], just checking in on this. Any timeframe on this new video? Just looking for a little more information to hopefully clear up some lingering questions on these new items... THANKS-

 

[TylerC]

[member=57769]TylerC[/member]
Do you know if Larry Smith will be at the Hartville, Ohio Tool Sale Event on Friday and Saturday, and will he have the Vac Sys there?

Thanks, Mike A.

I've just reached out to Larry, and I'll let you know what I hear from him.

 

[TylerC]

We'll also be releasing a set-up video in the next few weeks that should help to answer some of these things.

[member=57769]TylerC[/member], just checking in on this. Any timeframe on this new video? Just looking for a little more information to hopefully clear up some lingering questions on these new items... THANKS-

We should have the setup video live by the time the Vac Sys launches on March 1.

 

[Reokeane]

There's a comment in this thread that this ships in a classic sys 4 - other than the pump. Yet none of the retailers listing this list a systainer as included in any of the set versions except for the accessory set of vacuum heads

So if buying for example the Vacuum Clamping Unit VAC SYS SE 2
580066 Vac-Sys Vacuum Pad, 275x100mm - will it fit in a systainer or not? And if yes, does it ship in a systainer or do I need to buy separately? And if I need to buy - which one will do the job?

Generally observation, for such an eagerly anticipated product that has been around in the Festool ecosystem for several years elsewhere, the quality of information available is, as the Brits would say "pants"