New tool announcement: VAC SYS System coming March 1!

[Tayler_mann]

[member=42383]Tayler_mann[/member]
Have you tried Youngblood's Lumber in North Minneapolis?

They have a real nice selection and the quality is a lot better than the big box stores. They're not the cheapest though, on the average around 15% to 25% more than HD, Lowes, Menards.
http://www.youngbloodlumber.com/hardwoodplywood.html

[member=44099]Cheese[/member]

I have thought about looking around the problem is that I have found shipping sucks. Also, I like the thicker veneer which a lot of places don't sell. I also really have a thing for 3/32" veneer if I can find the dimensions I want. I also don't mind 1/16" but I draw the line at 1/32". That's why I have found doing it myself is easier but I definitely need a bag. I am totally going to buy a bag and try this out.

 

[grbmds]

[member=42383]Tayler_mann[/member]
Have you tried Youngblood's Lumber in North Minneapolis?

They have a real nice selection and the quality is a lot better than the big box stores. They're not the cheapest though, on the average around 15% to 25% more than HD, Lowes, Menards.
http://www.youngbloodlumber.com/hardwoodplywood.html

[member=44099]Cheese[/member]

I have thought about looking around the problem is that I have found shipping sucks. Also, I like the thicker veneer which a lot of places don't sell. I also really have a thing for 3/32" veneer if I can find the dimensions I want. I also don't mind 1/16" but I draw the line at 1/32". That's why I have found doing it myself is easier but I definitely need a bag. I am totally going to buy a bag and try this out.

[member=42383]Tayler_mann[/member] Have tried resawing on the bandsaw to get the desired thickness. To be honest, I haven't done this but I've wanted to try it and it is really the only way to get exactly what you want. Just a possibility to think about.

 

[James Biddle]

Looking at each of your catalog pages:

If you buy the $1300, 57000003 system, you get the pump, foot pedal, hose, clamping module, and the 215mm round pad, and a SYS4 Sustainer?  SYS4 is mentioned in the SE1 kit, but not the system.

If you buy the $1800, 57000004 set, you get everything above plus a second clamping module, extra hoses, a 100mm x 275mm oblong pad, and a second SYS4 Sustainer?

If you buy the $350, 494294 accessory kit, you get a 100mm x 275mm oblong pad (duplicate from the set), a 60mm x 200 small oblong pad, a  32 x 277mm narrow pad, and SYS3 Systainer?

So, if I bought a set and an accessory kit, I end up with 3 Systainers and a stand-alone pump?

Also, the smallest rail or stile I cold hold for Dominos is no less than 1-1/2" wide or shorter than 12"?

 

[neeleman]

I found a similarity between the new VAC-PMP with the Senco PC 1287.
Does Festool let it produce by Senco with only some minor changes?
In Europe the VAC-PMP is not available, only the Systainer pump VAC-SYS VP.

And why are these only available in the (old) Classic systainers and no T-Loc?

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[Cheese]

And why are these only available in the (old) Classic systainers and no T-Loc?

In a different post, TylerC stated that because the Systainer pump VAC-SYS VP is only available for sale in the Classic Systainer, Festool decided to offer all Vac Sys items in the Classic Systainers for easier bundling.

I believe in the same post he also said the new vac pump would fit into a Sys 4.

 

[TylerC]

I found a similarity between the new VAC-PMP with the Senco PC 1287.
Does Festool let it produce by Senco with only some minor changes?
In Europe the VAC-PMP is not available, only the Systainer pump VAC-SYS VP.

And why are these only available in the (old) Classic systainers and no T-Loc?

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Although they have a few aesthetic similarities, the VAC-PMP is not produced by Senco.

In all other countries, the VAC SYS is delivered in the Classic Systainer as this is the way it is approved for their pump, so it makes sense to keep them all the same. 

 

[Scorpion]

I like it but maybe not something I'd prioritize over other festool offerings.  Primarily because I'm a homeowner user/DIY bit also because I wonder if there'd be too many situations where I'd actually need two to make it work and two is too rich for my blood.

 

[Kev]

I like it but maybe not something I'd prioritize over other festool offerings.  Primarily because I'm a homeowner user/DIY bit also because I wonder if there'd be too many situations where I'd actually need two to make it work and two is too rich for my blood.

Personally I think you're either making jewellery boxes or you NEED two heads for most significant jobs.

I'm not a fan of having two heads linked to an MFT setup .. but Festool is about portability and for that reason their approach makes sense.

I'd really like one of these ...http://www.doscorniometal.com/index.php?Nav_Nummer=2&SubNav_Nummer=7&R=  [big grin]

 

[Scorpion]

Personally I think you're either making jewellery boxes or you NEED two heads for most significant jobs.

I'm not a fan of having two heads linked to an MFT setup .. but Festool is about portability and for that reason their approach makes sense.

I'd really like one of these ...http://www.doscorniometal.com/index.php?Nav_Nummer=2&SubNav_Nummer=7&R=  [big grin]

How much is that setup?!  Sweet (drool)

I really like the concept of a suction work holding.  The notion of eliminating clamps is awesome.  Repositioning the workpiece would be fast.  Maybe if rather have a suction plate inset into the MFT top (like In saw someone did in their MFTC) instead.  Seems that could be a lesser expensive product festool could offer.  Would eliminate some of the assembly.  In fact, that's a good idea...

 

[Brice Burrell]

I like it but maybe not something I'd prioritize over other festool offerings.  Primarily because I'm a homeowner user/DIY bit also because I wonder if there'd be too many situations where I'd actually need two to make it work and two is too rich for my blood.

Personally I think you're either making jewellery boxes or you NEED two heads for most significant jobs.

I'm not a fan of having two heads linked to an MFT setup .. but Festool is about portability and for that reason their approach makes sense.

I'd really like one of these ...http://www.doscorniometal.com/index.php?Nav_Nummer=2&SubNav_Nummer=7&R=  [big grin]

The large round vac attachment head that is included is capable of holding a fairly sizable work piece.  Also, you can make your own jigs/fixtures to provide supplemental support so you work with much bigger pieces with just one head. 

 

[Cheese]

The large round vac attachment head that is included is capable of holding a fairly sizable work piece.  Also, you can make your own jigs/fixtures to provide supplemental support so you work with much bigger pieces with just one head. 

According to Festool, the standard D 215 round vacuum head is capable of supporting a 40" x 40" piece of material in the horizontal position, that weighs 198# and in the vertical position 121#. Mostly dependent upon the operation that's being performed. Sanding versus planing or chiseling.

 

[Rick Christopherson]

The large round vac attachment head that is included is capable of holding a fairly sizable work piece.  Also, you can make your own jigs/fixtures to provide supplemental support so you work with much bigger pieces with just one head. 

According to Festool, the standard D 215 round vacuum head is capable of supporting a 40" x 40" piece of material in the horizontal position, that weighs 198# and in the vertical position 121#. Mostly dependent upon the operation that's being performed. Sanding versus planing or chiseling.

Even though those are the official specifications from Germany, I can assure you that it will far exceed these. Just for example and comparison, the round clamping head will actually exert over 600 pounds of pulling force, compared to the published 198 pounds.

 

[Cheese]

Thanks [member=191]Rick Christopherson[/member],
that makes sense...the old safety factor being put in play.  [smile]

 

[yetihunter]

Just saw the VAC SYS.  I don't need it,  but I could see and feel that it is top notch quality. 
Seems too springy for hand tools, but really nice for polishing and sanding.

 

[yetihunter]

Looking at each of your catalog pages:

If you buy the $1300, 57000003 system, you get the pump, foot pedal, hose, clamping module, and the 215mm round pad, and a SYS4 Systainer?  SYS4 is mentioned in the SE1 kit, but not the system.

If you buy the $1800, 57000004 set, you get everything above plus a second clamping module, extra hoses, a 100mm x 275mm oblong pad, and a second SYS4 Systainer?

If you buy the $350, 494294 accessory kit, you get a 100mm x 275mm oblong pad (duplicate from the set), a 60mm x 200 small oblong pad, a  32 x 277mm narrow pad, and SYS3 Systainer?

So, if I bought a set and an accessory kit, I end up with 3 Systainers and a stand-alone pump?

Also, the smallest rail or stile I cold hold for Dominos is no less than 1-1/2" wide or shorter than 12"?

The pump comes in a cardboard box.  It does fit in a systainer though, didn't ask what size. 

 

[copcarcollector]

[member=57769]TylerC[/member]

Quick question on SE1 and SE2

201065 Vac-Sys Clamping Unit SE 1
580062 Vac-Sys Clamping Unit SE 2

Is the ONLY difference in these two the head they come with?

 

[TylerC]

[member=57769]TylerC[/member]

Quick question on SE1 and SE2

201065 Vac-Sys Clamping Unit SE 1
580062 Vac-Sys Clamping Unit SE 2

Is the ONLY difference in these two the head they come with?

The SE 1 also includes a foot value. The SE 2 does not.

If you're only getting one of them, you should get the SE 1. (Unless you want to be the foot valve separately.) The SE 2 is intended to be an addition to the SE 1; not a replacement to it.

 

[grbmds]

[member=57769]TylerC[/member] This may have been answered already, but I couldn't find it in this thread.

Does the VacSys System (which includes the pump, SE1/round head, and foot valve, include any sustainers? If so, how many, which type (Classic or newer), and what size?

 

[Scorpion]

The large round vac attachment head that is included is capable of holding a fairly sizable work piece.  Also, you can make your own jigs/fixtures to provide supplemental support so you work with much bigger pieces with just one head. 

According to Festool, the standard D 215 round vacuum head is capable of supporting a 40" x 40" piece of material in the horizontal position, that weighs 198# and in the vertical position 121#. Mostly dependent upon the operation that's being performed. Sanding versus planing or chiseling.

Even though those are the official specifications from Germany, I can assure you that it will far exceed these. Just for example and comparison, the round clamping head will actually exert over 600 pounds of pulling force, compared to the published 198 pounds.

Well that's, for the lost part, strong enough doe what I do.  As others mentioned, I could easily add a support to one end.

 

[TylerC]

[member=57769]TylerC[/member] This may have been answered already, but I couldn't find it in this thread.

Does the VacSys System (which includes the pump, SE1/round head, and foot valve, include any Systainers? If so, how many, which type (Classic or newer), and what size?

Everything except the pump comes in a Classic Sys 4.